Leo's Blog: Infinite Insights

This is a very powerful dialogue. I suggest you study it carefully because there are many deep, advanced, subtle lessons here:

As great as that is, here is my commentary to make sense of the confusion:
(By the way, when I give commentary you should question it. Don't just assume it's correct. Form your own conclusions.)

• Their whole topic of dialogue is basically a misguided frame. Why? Because God is not exclusive to any religion, Christianity nor Buddhism. God can be found through any religion or no religion. However, not all findings of God will be to the same depth of understanding and intelligence.
  • The more time you invest studying, deciphering, and dialoguing the details of various religions, the further you get from realizing God.
  • It's not that religion is false. It's just far too indirect and far too human.
• My claim is that you will not find the deepest understanding of God through Christianity nor Buddhism. Why not? Because the deepest realization of God requires Infinite Intelligence, which requires infinite requisite variety of mind. My claim is that God is so fucking intelligent that the only way to fully realize it is by freeing your mind of all human constructs. Christianity and Buddhism are both human constructs which limit the mind of God from realizing itself.
• A human is not looking for God. God is looking for itself. God cannot find itself because the human is in the way. This is not a shallow desire to run away from being human. This an essential metaphysical point which must be understood for serious Awakening.
• The fundamental problem of Buddhism is that it doesn't emphasis God. It emphasizes reducing God to emptiness and no-self. This is not the same thing as God, although it is God. It is a reduction. Also, Buddhism is a paradigm and a set of dogmas which limit the mind of God.
• The fundamental problem of Christianity is that it wants God to serve human life and survival. Christians crave a personal relationship with God. However, this desire to bring God into practical use for human life is a mistake. It will limit the realization of God because God is not human. To fully realize God requires letting go of humanness, of everything human. Not because the human is bad, or because you wish to escape into Nirvana, but because the human is too biased to be fully God. Even the desire to have a loving relationship with your wife or child is already self-deception because if you realized you were God you would realize that your wife and child are imaginary. Which is exactly what Jordan Hall does not want to realize. So he cannot fully realize God due to his desire for human connection, family, community, meaning, purpose.
• The other problem of Christianity is the idol worship of Jesus, a human, as God. This is the same problem as rats worshiping a rat as God. It isn't false. A rat is God. However, the desire to worship a rat will obstruct God's realization of itself.
• I love that Jordan Hall is intelligent enough to realize that nonduality is not the end. Jordan understands that nonduality is a trap. This is correct. Nonduality is not a full realization of God/Love. Something is missing. Jordan gets that. Very good. However, then he falls into the trap of Christianity.
• I want to acknowledge that there is value and importance to Jordan's concern for deep human embodiment of the infinite. That is a serious challenge and worth lots of careful consideration. Merely realizing God or Love is not at all the same thing as embodiment of it in human relations and community. However, if one's primary focus is loving relationships, family, and community, that is far too narrow and human-centric of a priority when it comes to understanding God. If you place your community above truth, then you will not get a full understanding of God. That's the trade-off Jordan is making.
• This entire dialogue is mistaken because it's holding God as other. The key thing that's being missed is that God is Self. Any attempt to otherize God as the Buddha, or Christ, or some abstract "The One" is already too far removed from YOU. You are God. This is being missed by all three of them.
• Neither Jordan, John, nor Jonathan know if the Buddha or Jesus were actual real people. This is a problem because they are not epistemically careful enough to see that they are engaging in belief rather than proper not-knowing. This is an important point because this lack of epistemic rigor will ultimately mean they never fully realize God.
• The solipsistic nature of God is being entirely missed and denied by these three. They do not realize that even their desire to have this fancy dialogue is a self-deception that God is playing on itself to keep itself asleep. If you fully realized God, there would be no dialogue. God does not dialogue with itself. God is itself! God has no one to dialogue with and no need to dialogue. Dialogue is an illusion needed to construct a dream.
• The key thing that everyone is missing is that God is profoundly, insanely non-human. Any human biases, needs, life, survival, concepts, religions, beliefs, history, science or story will prevent full realization of God. Just the fact that these guys take human history seriously already shows that they will not realize God. All of human history is a fantasy in the mind of God. It has zero reality. The Buddha and Christ are illusions created by God to keep itself asleep.
• Does God personally love you? This question is already too far removed from God. God doesn't love you in some stupid human needy sense. You are God. And God is Love. God doesn't need to love you. YOU ARE LOVE. If Jordan realized this, he would drop his need for a personal relationship or connection to God. You don't need a connection to God. Because YOU ARE GOD! By trying to have a human connection with God you are actually pushing God away. But of course, since you are God, and this is your dream, you can dream up a personal connection with God. If you want God to kiss your ass every morning, you can dream that up. That's basically Christian prayer. Does it work? If you're a Christian, you certainly imagine it works.
• God is not something other than the present moment. So it is fully immanent. This notion that Buddhism takes you away from human life while Christianity does not, is a mistaken frame. God is right here, right now. Christianity is not needed for this.
• Ultimately, the difference between Buddhism and Christianity is irrelevant for full God and Love realization. Don't worry. I promise you, you'll get God and Love even better without them. Surrender your attachments to human things. This is the key to fully realizing God. I say this not because human things are bad or wrong, nor because you need to abandon your wife or child, but because you need to break the illusion of humanness. Breaking the illusion of humanness does not mean you drop out of human form or human life. Although you also could.
• The problem with Christianity which is not being recognized by Jordan and Jonathan is that it seeks to monopolize God. It wants to claim that Christianity has some unique and special path to God that is better than others. This is false. Not only is Christianity not the best path, it must be surrendered to fully understand God. However, I am not denying that you can have powerful experiences of God as a Christian, sure you can.
  • Christianity is a backwards rationalization of God. Christians will always look for ways to rationalize to themselves why Christianity is necessary and special. Otherwise they would not be Christians. The problem is that Jordan and Jonathan are not conscious that they are doing this.
• I think Jordan and Jonathan are kidding themselves when they say that Christianity does not try to be an ideology or a meta-ideology. They can say that. But in practice Christianity will be that and it will try to dominate and exclude other perspectives. It will ultimately fail at pluralism because it views itself as the superior path and it is highly social and communal. The communal aspects of Christianity must turn into corrupt group-think. There's just no way around that and I think Jordan and Jonathan do not take this problem seriously enough because they are identified as Christians. They hold a very idealized, romantic, over-optimistic view of Christianity. In practice Christianity will be much uglier.
  • With that said, the communal, social aspects of Christianity offer much value to normal human beings who want and even need that social connection. So Christianity is not just about realizing God, it's much more about being part of a community and getting your socializing needs met. This comes with big pros and cons. The pros are that you can get some beautiful bonding experiences and mutual emotional support. The cons are that you will get lost in group-think and your community will become corrupt and that corruption will spread to all its members. So there's no easy answer here. These are trade-offs. How much socialization do you require from your spirituality? This depends on your needs and values.
• Don't worry, when you fully realize God, you will have access to much deeper intelligence with which to see Love. You will be able to use that intelligence to live in a far more profound and loving way. Christianity is not needed for this.
• You don't need intimacy. You are Love. Human intimacy is nice, but it's less love than Love. By this I do not mean that you shouldn't seek out human intimacy. I mean, don't drag that issue into your pursuit of God. If you want intimacy with God, don't worry, God-Realization is more intimate than intimate. You will not be left lacking in that department. Just realize that you are God and you will get 1000% intimacy.
• Be extremely careful not to conflate God with human survival needs. Living as part of a Christian community and family — this is all human survival stuff. Do not pollute God with these needs of yours or you will not fully realize God. Handle your social and survival needs separately, as any secular person would.
• God didn't need to incarnate as Christ. You are God. You are God's incarnation. Look here and now, not into a fantasy of human history. Human history is a dream.
• The most interesting and profound aspects of God are entirely non-human, not even within the domain of human sanity. These insanely profound and beautiful dimensions are entirely lost on Jordan, John, and Jonathan because their minds are stuck thinking on the human domain. For example, they will never realize Alien Love. Because all they care about is human love.
• God is not to be equated or confused with relationship. God does not need relationship. God is an Infinite Mind. It is more profound than relationship, it is metaphysical identity. Relationship is great but should not be elevated above Truth or Consciousness.
• God will never be understood in a social dialogue or group conversation. This is fundamentally antithetical to God because God is Absolute Sovereignty of Mind. Mind must take back all its sovereignty from others. You cannot share your power with them or else you stop being God.
• The bottom line is that nothing humans create will capture God, nor is necessary to get God. God is independent of human constructions. The most intelligent thing you can do is to free your mind of all human constructions, beliefs, religion, ideologies, and needs. Then God can be seen fully right here and now, and used to enhance human life.
• Human teachings can help you have some experiences of God. However, to fully understand God you must drop all the human teachings and go it all alone to maximize your mental sovereignty and to transcend all limiting constructs.
• There are hundreds of different ways that humans could frame God to themselves. They are not all the equal. Some are better than others. And they will lead to hundreds of different kinds of mystical experiences of God. But beyond all that there is God without any human frames, which is ideal because all human frames are limitations on God's imagination of itself.
• Look, there is nothing strictly wrong with being a Christian or a Buddhist. That just means you are God living in a Christian or Buddhist dream. That's fine. God is so loving that it will let you dream whatever you want. If you want to live as a Christian with your wife, child, family, and community reading the Bible each Sunday, God will happily dream that dream for you. The only issue is that there is a more advanced way for God to understand itself. Does a Christian understand insanity? No. Why not? Because his view of God is far too limited and attached to the human. But what's the point of insanity? It's a higher Love.
• The reason you don't need to follow Christ as your role-model is because you are God, and your Intelligence is enough for you to see Love and Good. As long as you have Intelligence, you can use that to be Christ-like. You don't need to emulate Christ, you just need to be Intelligent. Of course, if you don't know how to be Intelligent then Christ might be needed for you. Some people may find Intelligence too abstract. Of course, without Intelligence your love will be far shy of perfect because you are blind.
• Remember this: However you want your spirituality to be, however you NEED it to be, God will grant it to you. Because you are God. And God is self-creation. You are dreaming your dream. If you want a personal relationship with a rat-God, you can create it. Gather a group of your friends, marry each other, live in a commune, and every day worship your rat-God. Build a giant gold statue in his honor. It will work. You will feel super special. Until it all gets corrupted and turns to shit.
• Do not conflate being a good human being with realization of God. These are independent things. You can be a good human being and never understand God. And understanding God will not automatically make you a good human being. If you care more about being a good human being, this will actually be an obstacle to fully realizing God because God also includes insanity, psychopathy, and weird behavior that isn't aligned with being a kind, polite, respectable, brotherly human. Don't forget that crocodiles are God.

I don't want to create the impression that you have to follow my way to God. Do whatever you want. I'm just sharing with you my best understandings of how God works. You should investigate whether what I say is true. Keep in mind that my way may be too hardcore or too impractical for most people. Maybe most people just need to be Christians, which is why Christianity exists. I do believe that people need various paths based on their various proclivities.

Very, very, very, very few humans need a full realization of God. Most of them would be just fine being Christians or Buddhists or whatever. The only reason I talk the way I do about this stuff is because I have a very unique need for truth and understanding which is utterly impractical for human life. The things I'm talking about are not even relevant to most Buddhists because most Buddhists never cared about understanding of reality. They care about something else. Do not assume that any enlightened person cares about understanding reality. The pursuit of enlightenment is not the same as the pursuit of understanding of reality. So I do have my weird views and you should wonder if they are of value to you. My bias is that I'm interested in very radical, not human aspects of Consciousness, which is why no traditional path satisfies me. But most people are not radicals so for them a traditional path may be more practical.

One of the reasons very advanced cognitive and moral development is so rare is the insane suffering you must incur to reach it. I mean here a very specific kind of suffering that is usually not even understood by people. It is the suffering of understanding how wrong you were, how corrupt you were, how selfish you were, how self-deceived you were, how immature you were. There are levels of self-deception in you which are so advanced and so ugly that you can’t even imagine them right now. I mean, truly understanding how flawed you’ve been and still are. Reaching the highest stages of development requires forcing yourself to confront and admit all this to yourself even when there isn’t a strict need. Because others around you will be too ignorant and unconscious to even understand your level of wrongness. You will recognize you are wrong in ways that most people don't even comprehend. People around you will be telling you how great you are, but deep down you will know you are wrong. And so you have to do it for yourself. No one is going to force you and it will be very painful. This explains why truly good people are so rare. You're not born good, you have become good by recognizing and eliminating all of your personal corruption and ignorance.

Just try to imagine if someone like a Trump or a Musk tried to become a good person. Not because they were forced, but just by their own desire. Put yourself in their shoes — knowing everything you know from studying all the Actualized.org concepts and being on this journey yourself — and try to imagine how painful it would be for them. Try to empathize with that. The pain of admitting all the stuff they are wrong about, and all the suffering they've caused people, would be unbearable. They would break down in tears, they should feel suicidal, they would go through depression and nihilism — just to admit their own corruption to themselves. They would need someone to hold them. But this isn’t unique to them, it will apply to you too, just hopefully to a lesser degree. And this process of realizing your wrongness and stupidity needs to happen more than once, over and over again for each higher stage of development.

By the time you're done with all that, you will become profoundly compassionate towards the ignorance, immaturity, and corruption in others because you will know how hard it was for you to come to accept yourself. To develop serious love requires not just acting well, but participating in evil. Consider that serious love doesn't come from avoiding murder, it comes from being a murderer and then redeeming yourself from that, learning to love and accept yourself after that. Only then can you understand and love murderers. Unless you go through that process, you will not have enough depth of empathy to understand the grotesque moral situation that a murderer is in.

Consider this: The reason that God is the ultimate Love, is because God is a Mind which lived through every possible perspective and personally participated in every possible evil, but through recognition and consciousness redeemed itself and learned to love itself anyway. So, literally, the reason that God is the highest Love is because God was every murderer who ever lived — and fully conscious of it. Only by going through all that ugliness consciously does one reach God's degree of Love. This is, literally, a super-human Love. A Love that cannot be achieved without infinite perspective. As it turns out, for profound metaphysical reasons, you cannot love something you haven't personally been through because you will not understand it. To love a thing requires understanding it. And understanding it requires living through it and becoming One with it. So there is a very profound relationship between love and evil. You won't get high degrees of love just by being nice to everyone, acting proper, and following the rules. That's far too shallow. You have to really experience oneness with evil. The most loving person will not be the one with the cleanest hands, it will be the one with dirty hands who went through hell and came out the other end a saint.

Note: Obviously this is not a license to start doing deliberate evil just for the personal development benefits. If you did that you'd very much regret it.

This is a very important video because it demonstrates the difference between meditative practice vs God-Realization. These are NOT the same thing. Daniel Ingram has extremely advanced technical meditative skill — more than anyone I know — and he's achieved all the classic Buddhist attainments on the enlightenment path. However, he still does not have a realization of God. The ontology has not been grasped. Pragmatism and scientism have not been fully deconstructed and still hold sway. The self-deception of Bayesian reasoning still holds sway. Absolute Truth has not truly comprehended and realized. God has not been grasped. The ultimate nature of Consciousness has not been understood.

Listen to the last 5 minutes of this long interview to see what I mean.

Start at timestamp: 59:00

This is why I'm such an asshole about these matters. The self-deception here is so insanely subtle and advanced.

No-self is NOT God-Realization.

Study this matter carefully.

This is not a criticism of Daniel or any disrespect towards his work. I appreciate his work a lot. It's just about making sure that at the end of the day you grasp that YOU ARE GOD!

Fischer Random. I played white against a 1900-rated bot. The bot played somewhat weak at the start but it was a fun end-game.

You should be aware that not only do Christians oppose wokeness (stage Green), they equate it with Satanism and Lucifer. This sounds absurd when I say it, but this is literally how serious Christians understand the world:

This is one of the many delusions of Christianity. You see... one does not merely become a Christian to believe in God, or even experience God. This ideology is a cancer that infects one's mind, warping one's epistemology and ontology, shaping how you interpret and make sense of the whole world. Under such a worldview the mind is not even able to make sense of things like trans rights, gay rights, feminism, Stage Green, post-modernism, spiritual pluralism, the New Age, psychedelics, politics, democracy, climate change, racism, terrorism, Israel/Palestine, and more. Being Christian goes way beyond merely a belief in God. If it just stopped there, it would not be a problem. But it never stops there because it is an ideology with a mind of its own, which seeks to monopolize, dominate, control, demonize, exclude, self-aggrandize, and reproduce. Christianity is not just a set of spiritual practices, it is a powerful political force which seeks to dominate the world.

In the end, the reason Christianity is a lower perspective is because it is too self-absorbed, too demonizing to make sense of total reality. Fundamentally, Christianity is not intelligent enough to be all-Loving. Because to be all-Loving requires total understanding of all perspectives. The level of intelligence required to realize God's Love cannot be attained through any kind of ideology. Period. Which is why, in practice, Christians have always been unloving, intolerant, racist, bigoted, and violent people. I don't need to demonize them, their record speaks for itself.

Do not be fooled by such Christians. They love to act kind, polite, friendly, and humble, but at the end of the day they believe that anything that goes against Christianity — everything that contradicts their biases — is demonic. And their solution to the demonic is — quite naturally — extermination. Don't underestimate how literally they take this. This isn't just mythology to them. They believe they are on this Earth to fight an existential battle between good and evil — evil being anything that contradicts Christianity. As a real-world example, many American Evangelicals, who are in power now thanks to Trump, view the Palestinians as Satan's children. Can you guess what their solution is for handling Satan's children?

Christians do not just view Stage Green as bad, they view it as ontologically demonic. That's the key insight! Only when you understand this insight do you understand how dangerous these people are underneath their friendly and cuddly facade. These people do not think for themselves, their minds have been hijacked by an ideology that seeks power. Christianity is the corruption of God.

The proof of it is, they elected Trump — the anti-Christ — and yet they sit there and still complain about how wokeness is Satanic. They can't even see that they put Satan in the White House.

The way Satan gets you is through the gaps in your epistemology. Which is why Actualized.org makes epistemology and truth as our top priority.

Note: Be careful not to over-generalize Christians. There exist some spiritually advanced Christians. Some Christian teachings are valuable. Please be nuanced.

Daniel Ingram is a serious neo-Buddhist practitioner, not just some New Age hack. So his opinions on this stuff are worth taking seriously.

I do not recommend that you get distracted chasing magick powers. I share this for sense-making purposes, not so that you run off and start doing it. For sense-making purposes it is important that your worldview have a reasonable account for such phenomena. Of course, it's all part of Infinite Mind, so it's no problem for the Actualized worldview. As I told you, God is Infinite Imagination. People still don't comprehend the significance of what that means.

Be ware, there's great potential for self-deception and fantasy within the occult. So I really don't recommend it unless you've already mastered everything else. Without a rock solid epistemic foundation dabbling in the occult will turn into profound delusion.

Credit: Thanks to forum user The Crocodile for sharing this video with me.

Lessons in corruption:

Notice, the more of a grifter, marketer, used car salesman, con-artist, or fraud someone is, the more passionately they support Trump. Grifters are so predictable. The more one bullshits, the more one loves Trump. Isn't it interesting how that works?

Note: For legal purposes, this is just my personal opinion. I make no factual claims about Grant Cardone or his businesses.