Does exercising really make you live longer?

[BlueOak]

58 minutes ago, Yousif said:

Again, being athletic and active doesn’t necessarily mean healthy. You all keep confusing the 2. 

No I don't. All things being equal athletic is healthier than the alternative state.

*If you are describing 2 days cardio and 2 days resistance, or their equivalent as athletic.

Edited April 1, 2024 by BlueOak

[Yousif]

25 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

 

But exactly how often do I have to work out before I qualify for the description of "my life revolves around being extremely active"? You seem to be making statements that are not grounded in any statistics or empirical facts.

 

 

That’s completely relative and subjective, which is why there’s no such a thing as empirical facts, 

you can study 50 or 100 people and come up with an answer, doesn’t mean it will work on everyone with different backgrounds ang genetics. 

[Yousif]

1 minute ago, BlueOak said:

No I don't. All things being equal athletic is healthier than the alternative state.

Healthy doesn’t equal living longer.

[Yousif]

28 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

 

"Death by exercise" is not a leading cause of death as far as I know. Do you have any statistics on that?

This is why science is stage orange and low consciousness, they look at the problem linearly and not holistically, and they don’t not consider all the factors, 

a wild child is more likely to hit his head and die then a lazy child, even tho the wild one is way healthier and fitter.

 

 

[Yousif]

The thread is about living longer, NOT being healthy or not

[BlueOak]

21 minutes ago, Yousif said:

Healthy doesn’t equal living longer.

Yes it does by mean and median value.

[Yousif]

5 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Yes it does by mean and median value.

Nope, you can be too healthy for your own good and end up dying at a young age from many different factors due to you being healthy, open your mind to think holistically 

 

 

[Javfly33]

On 19/03/2024 at 0:51 PM, Carl-Richard said:

Define light moderate exercise.

anything that is not running marathons or half-marathons regularly, or the proportionally the same to people that do strength training

 

[Yousif]

17 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

anything that is not running marathons or half-marathons regularly, or the proportionally the same to people that do strength training

 

There really is no one formula for everyone, we all have different capacities and genetics,

but generally over doing it tends to backfire

[BlueOak]

26 minutes ago, Yousif said:

Nope, you can be too healthy for your own good and end up dying at a young age from many different factors due to you being healthy, open your mind to think holistically 

 

 

A million things can happen in this life. We've gone around this a few times. It doesn't change the fact that being healthy increases the average lifespan for an individual and the quality of life they experience. Health is not over training, that is unhealthy. Yes you can exercise yourself to death, you can walk out tomorrow into a bus, or eat yourself to death on burgers. 

Health is a basic fundamental fact that reality is based on. Health is how we unconsciously choose who we are attracted to, and choose to have our kids with as an example. The reason being we want healthy kids and people who not only live through birth but are around to raise them. That's all pre-loaded before we even pick and choose our personal preferences.

So yes, being healthy is a key to having a longer life, that doesn't mean you train yourself to death, that's not health. Again I can only assume you've seen someone healthy die. I have too, as you get older you'll see more of it, unexpected things happening and those you knew once no longer with you. As you hit 40 if you don't take care of yourself, you'll get problems, and those problems could end up killing you or just making you suffer.

Having recently been to the doctors to check on my heart, and now feel pinching in my chest as I type this. Exercise. Even if getting the weight off seems impossible, do it anyway. Don't talk yourself out of it. Just balance it, balance is health overdoing something isn't, just not exercising at all is dumb. 

[zurew]

@Yousif All else being  equal (taking the same amount of risk etc), does being healthy increase your lifespan compared to being less healthy or not?

[Yousif]

2 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

A million things can happen in this life.

You can say being healthy may lead to a longer life, but you cannot state it as a fact, because it isn’t. 
 

and I say being healthier may not make you live longer simply because when you’re healthier you’re more active and you tend over due things which will lead to your death,

I’m not saying to not be healthy, health is one of my top values, but I choose health not because I think it will make me live longer, maybe more happy,efficient, energetic, functional, but not for a min do I believe or think it will make me live longer.

[Yousif]

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

@Yousif All else being  equal (taking the same amount of risk etc), does being healthy increase your lifespan compared to being less healthy or not?

I can say it tends to make you feel better and happier, more functional, I don’t know about increasing your lifespan because there are many factors we are not considering, 

if you’ve been in a coma for 70 years, you’re not necessarily healthy but you still may live longer than a healthy normal person.

[zurew]

Just now, Yousif said:

I don’t know about increasing your lifespan because there are many factors we are not considering, 

Thats why I said all else being equal - to isolate the variables. All else equal here would mean whatever objection you can come up with in your mind - you  apply that objection to both a more healthy and to a less healthy person. So having the same genetics, same history, taking the same amount of risks (add anything else here) does being more helathy make you live longer or not?

[Yousif]

You’re all scientifically minded and empirical facts worshippers, if you answer this one scientific question then I will let you have it, 

 

tell me, doesn’t relativity mean that everything is relative and nothing is actually a fact, why do you take the stance of having empirical facts then?

 

you literally cannot say something is one thing over its opposite, this is the real world, you cannot say health will make you live longer, even if you take data and measure lifespans of all people, still all you have is a pattern, you do not have a fact, there literally is no such a thing as a fact in the real world.

[Yousif]

Just now, zurew said:

Thats why I said all else being equal - to isolate the variables. All else equal here would mean whatever objection you can come up with in your mind - you  apply that objection to both a more healthy and to a less healthy person. So having the same genetics, same history, taking the same amount of risks (add anything else here) does being more helathy make you live longer or not?

I already said it tends, that’s not a fact, that’s a pattern that can be changed, also there’s million other factors you’re not considering that may actually prove that being healthy won’t let you live longer.

[Yousif]

Working 100 hours a week tends to make you good amount of money, doesn’t mean it will make you rich. 

 

being healthy may make you reel good and energetic, doesn’t mean it will make you live longer.

 

stop taking these things as facts, no such a thing as a fact.

[zurew]

3 minutes ago, Yousif said:

I already said it tends, that’s not a fact, that’s a pattern that can be changed, also there’s million other factors you’re not considering that may actually prove that being healthy won’t let you live longer.

That answer makes 0 sense. You are changing what the question asked to you. You are not engageing with the question and evading a really easy straightforward answer.

If everything else equal obviously a more healthy person will live longer. "yeah but you are not considering a trillion other things" the hypothetical accounts for all those things you are just not understanding it. Thats what all else being equal mean you take into account infinite variables except health and compare less health to more health. A very easy question you are just evading it.

Edited April 1, 2024 by zurew

[Yousif]

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

That answer makes 0 sense. You are changing what the question asked to you. You are not engageing with the question and evading a really easy straightforward answer.

If everything else equal obviously a more healthy person will live longer. "yeah but you are not considering a trillion other things" the hypothetical accounts for all those things you are just not understanding it. Thats what all else being equal mean you take into account infinite variables except health and compare less health to more health. A very easy question you are just evading it.

Stop stepping out of reality everything else cannot be equal, stop imagining unrealistic scenarios, 

 

and I already said that it tends to make you live longer, which is the same thing as “ all things being equal a more healthy person will live longer “ .

[zurew]

4 minutes ago, Yousif said:

Stop stepping out of reality everything else cannot be equal, stop imagining unrealistic scenarios, 

We will get back to reality , first we has to establish the goalpost and we have to establish whether you can engage honestly with hypotheticals without evading them.

We are going step by step.

Edited April 1, 2024 by zurew