Dear Leo, after all of your awakenings, is karma real or b.s.?

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Greetings Leo.

I pose this question to you because I recently acted selfishly and egoistic, and I'm sort of facing the backlash.

Anyways, you say often that your current views may sometimes contradict your past views, because you experience new awakenings which reveal the older awakenings to be outdated.

So... Is karma still real? Is the price of living selfishly karmic backlash and suffering? Because I'm certainly feeling it as of writing this post.

Basically, does this video of yours below still hold, or is it outdated?

 

[Leo Gura]

Depends on how you define what karma is.

If you simply mean that acting selfishly will produce natural negative blowback for you, then of course that's true.

If you mean that God is somehow inflicting punishment on you for your evil ways, then that is a fantasy.

Karma is not some kind of perfect or fair universal accounting system. It's possible to be extremely selfish but also lucky in avoiding blowback. But you could also be unlucky and experience extreme blowback to the point of unfairness.

Edited February 27 by Leo Gura

[Yali]

@Leo Gura

So even Hitler could've avoided blowback from his extremely selfish actions if he won the war?

Wtf! Then I guess selfishness isn't always a bad thing from the perspective of the ego if you manage to come through unscathed.

Edited February 27 by Yali

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, Yali said:

if he won the war?

That's a huge if.

Hitler's goal was simply unsustainable and was bound to come with many negative consequences for him and his people.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura

So even Hitler could've avoided blowback from his extremely selfish actions if he won the war?

Wtf! Then I guess selfishness isn't always a bad thing from the perspective of the ego if you manage to come through unscathed.

I like to see karma according to Lacanian psychoanalytic metaphysics:

-Consciousness is a camera that observes itself in the form of a holey surface.
-Every helplessness is a hole.
-Consciousness in two ways relieves the anxiety of lack.

      -The death drive: I'm hungry -> I have a hole, I eat -> I fill the hole.
Conscious result "yum, I ate well, I'm full"

      -Narcissism ("Pulsion for life", self-preservation): I am hungry -> I move the camera (the ego) so that the hole becomes flat. (frustration (anxiety) becomes satisfaction in this new system thanks to this sublimation.
Conscious result: "I don't eat (because you don't have money, because of anorexia...), I know how to control myself and I want to stay very thin!", "I have a will unlike all these people who don't know how to eat!", "“People are stupid to spend so much money on food rather than saving, people are not serious!” etcetc.

So to return to our famous Austrian painter, most certainly negative experiences, particularly during early childhood (where he was most sensitive) pushed him to defend his ego by creating wacky mental imagery but which worked to sublimate his libido in the sense of a certain satisfaction.
The refusal to shake up his identifications ended up transforming him into a drug addict, now branded as one of the worst dictators in history.

As sadghuru would say, Hitler is nothing really special, he's just a crook like any other who was more effective and was in the right place at the right time.

Edited February 27 by Schizophonia

[Yali]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

was simply unsustainable

He certainly would've been happier in the short term, which goes to show that committing acts of evil isn't always immediately detrimental to one's life @Leo Gura

Edited February 27 by Yali

[StarStruck]

Karma is like a house that is poorly build out of laziness. Yes it is easy to cut the corners when you build your house but at the end your own ceilling will come down on you.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Yali said:

He certainly would've been happier in the short term, which goes to show that committing acts of evil isn't always immediately detrimental to one's life

Kind of like gambling. Feels great in the short term, especially on a good day you rake in a ton of money. But keep on going, and you can see where that can lead you.

[Breakingthewall]

Let's say that your energetic configuration, your level of openness, fear, anger, hatred, shame, form a pattern, something real and solid, stable. This energetic configuration becomes denser or more open depending on the individual's way of being. Very dense configurations tend towards behaviors of separation, lying and selfishness. These behaviors create a denser and more closed pattern.

This does not mean that a misfortune is going to happen to you, but it does mean that your vital flow is going to be narrow, twisted, sickly. This can attract that kind of reality to you. It is not something measurable with external standards, maybe you will become a millionaire, but your flow in life is going to be unpleasant shit and there is a greater chance that you will attract bad things.

In addition, many mystics have spoken of reincarnation. It is a possibility, that pattern is restarted with some inherited master lines. You can see that reality is evolutionary, everything copies itself with some evolutionary adjustments. perhaps at deep levels it is also like this, and the energy patterns have continuity

[vibv]

4 hours ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura

So even Hitler could've avoided blowback from his extremely selfish actions if he won the war?

Wtf! Then I guess selfishness isn't always a bad thing from the perspective of the ego if you manage to come through unscathed.

Everything Hitler did was war. War was his whole Modus Operandi. There never was the possibility of winning some war, because that would've been the end of Hitler.

If he'd won the war he would've found another one to fight.

Edited February 27 by vibv

[vibv]

5 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Greetings Leo.

I pose this question to you because I recently acted selfishly and egoistic, and I'm sort of facing the backlash.

Anyways, you say often that your current views may sometimes contradict your past views, because you experience new awakenings which reveal the older awakenings to be outdated.

So... Is karma still real? Is the price of living selfishly karmic backlash and suffering? Because I'm certainly feeling it as of writing this post.

Karma is just cause and effect. You could also say: Everything you do, you do to yourself, because there's nothing else that exists. Selfishness is the consequence of not knowing that.

[Tech36363]

@Leo Gura god really fascinates me

[Alexop]

 "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven." - Jesus

Not just that they will never find the absolute truth but they'll also suffer because being selifsh is depressing. When you choose money and hedonism over relatioships, compassion, and altruism, that will alienate you from others and make you suffer. That would be and example of karma.

[Inliytened1]

21 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Greetings Leo.

I pose this question to you because I recently acted selfishly and egoistic, and I'm sort of facing the backlash.

Anyways, you say often that your current views may sometimes contradict your past views, because you experience new awakenings which reveal the older awakenings to be outdated.

So... Is karma still real? Is the price of living selfishly karmic backlash and suffering? Because I'm certainly feeling it as of writing this post.

Basically, does this video of yours below still hold, or is it outdated?

 

What you are missing is that everyghing is BS.  So yeah karma is imagined just like everything else. 

You carve out your own destiny friend.  But what you have to remember is that you ARE the whole thing...and then you created this reality and placed yourself into it - and created "karma" and "luck" and everything else that goes with it.  All of it is imagined by you and dreamed up by you.  

So that karma you make is something you are manifesting anyway.  It's all the same thing in the end.

 

[Razard86]

On 2/27/2024 at 0:39 PM, Yali said:

He certainly would've been happier in the short term, which goes to show that committing acts of evil isn't always immediately detrimental to one's life @Leo Gura

It's always detrimental. Excessive selfishness is caused by a lack of contentment, so you are never satisfied. You are always chasing your next fix, your next high. Whereas someone who is selfless is satisfied so they don't need to scheme and manipulate. The selfishness always loses, even if it appears its winning because its short-sighted and goes against truth.

Truth is order, consistency, integrity, so when you do the opposite it falls everytime because it cannot be maintained.

[Butters]

As you develop yourself spiritually you can become feelingly aware of the suffering you have caused others. This isn't negative.

For me it somehow always seems to come back to me, it's freakish. The result is I become more sensitive and less judgmental. Well, hopefully 😁

But really it sometimes comes back to me very quickly, and then it's a lesson. 

I also cannot seem to escape the mirror principle. 

Edited May 20 by Butters

[Boost]

If somebody curse me for no reason or arrogance then that person will het it back hundred times. But if he cause me bad things naturally then everything goes well.

[Ishanga]

Karma means My Life is My Making, without Karma no existence would be here, neither You or I or this forum. so Karma is neither Good or Bad, those are ego judgements, think more about Life Empowerment or Disempowerment, you want Empowerment right, so with a Human Being it has allot to do with Intention, if You have Disempowering Life Intentions within You on a regular basis, it will reflect in Your Life, if You have Empowering Intentions that will reflect in Your Life, its that simple.. Ego in many is Disempowering, Spirit/Consciousness/Aware is Empowering, choose where to come from and that will reflect in Your Life...

[Yimpa]

On 5/20/2024 at 5:22 AM, Boost said:

If somebody curse me for no reason or arrogance then that person will het it back hundred times. But if he cause me bad things naturally then everything goes well.

There can be reasons, though. Like someone who has been the victim of childhood abuse can later on become a childhood abuser themselves. 

But they can also turn their life around and become a better person.

 

[Atb210201]

On 27/02/2024 at 7:32 PM, Leo Gura said:

Karma is not some kind of perfect or fair universal accounting system. It's possible to be extremely selfish but also lucky in avoiding blowback. But you could also be unlucky and experience extreme blowback to the point of unfairness.

What are you talking about dear Leo

Of course it is

How else could it be except a fair and just system?

It's definitely a totally fair system in ways that we might not see what is the consequence of what and we don't need to always go and seek every little detail to see why this happened to me and what caused it

But for fairness subject I say it's definitely without a doubt fair and just and perfect

Because God is also fair and just and perfect

How else could God ever be except Fair and Just and Perfect?

Don't you think?

Edited May 28 by Atb210201