Leo, how much do looks influence a man's attractiveness

[Leo Gura]

 

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And now after all this time you randomly change your mind? I just don't understand why only now you produce this answer?

It was actually triggered by my awakenings. I had awakenings that gave me much deeper insight into how attraction works. Without the awakening I was not conscious enough to see it.

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And a theme you presented from the short/royal family wing example was that : Boldness/decisiveness and big bools outweighs looks and all else (minus celebrities) - so do you now just think that looks alone overpowers extreme boldness like your short asain wing had? 

Boldness can take you far in life. But it's not everything.

Looks is also a complex issue. Someone might be short, but otherwise great looking, or tall and ugly. So you shouldn't over-simplify these things.

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So this may sound autistic but I ithink many of us would prefer if you could precisely as possible distinguish to what extent you think looks matter relative to everything else in a numerical scale, and give your opinion on what a guys limits are based on his looks ... for example, does it only matter if you're ugly? or does not being a chad matter a lot too? if you're a 6/10 can you achieve what a chad achieves with enough game? If you're a 4/10 looks guy is chasing 7/10 girls shooting too high? ect..

Look, this isn't science. Attraction is a nebulous thing. I don't have numerical scales of how it works.

You shouldn't be thinking so hard about this. It doesn't matter. You only need to think about going out and talking girls. If you start obsessing of your looks to his anal numerical degree then you will struggle to get laid, because all this thinking is antithetical to game.

You will never get clear-cut answers about attraction because it's a very messy, multi-factorial process. Dozens of factors go into making someone attractive. The more of those factors you have the higher your success rate becomes. Some of those factors you can control and some you can't. Don't worry about the ones you can't, worry about the ones you can.

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Another point on status. 

You listed  "celebrity/status" as just above looks... But does this only include extreme global status or more subtle local status - like being a boss at a random company, or the bar manager, or just power/status/approval/popularity in any context no matter how small, local ?

And if this high status guy is also ugly does the status counteract his lacking looks and girls are still attracted do yhou think? 

The status only helps if it's something she can experience or see/feel. If you're the boss of your company and you go out to a bar, no girl there will know or care. So that will add nothing to your results. But if you're the boss of your company and you want to date your secretary, your higher position obviously helps you. Or if you go to the bar with 20 of your employees and they are all flocking around you, this makes you more attractive in the bar.

There are complex tradeoffs between status and ugliness. Obviously if you look like troll but have high status then you will get laid less then if you were high status and had great looks. But you will get laid more with high status than otherwise.

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.. on purpose of breeding 

You say "the purpose of sex is to breed with more attractive people - but what about all the ugly couples that exist? there's many ugly couples and ugly people born every day, perhaps many of them are even happy together?  so people are clearly motivated to fuck without improving genes too ? 

Less attractive people pair with each other because that's the best they can get. And many people just have low standards and willing to settle with someone who they are compatible with personality-wise and looks are not a big deal for them. Most people are not so looks-obsessed. In a sense, when we're talking about pickup, it's an very biased pursuit because pickup assumes you're into chasing hot girls. Most people in the world aren't doing that. They just settle for the first girl that is willing.

Edited March 17 by Leo Gura

[Bittu]

There's always those guys who don't look great, don't have fame or status and date hot women anyway. Keep this in mind.

[RendHeaven]

On 3/16/2024 at 5:44 PM, Leo Gura said:

The status only helps if it's something she can experience or see/feel.

This is somehow extraordinarily profound

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

This is somehow extraordinarily profound

It's really basic.

A foot-long dick can't help you get girls simply because she doesn't know you have it. And if you tell her you have it, it sounds desperate and creepy so it actually works against you.

Edited March 19 by Leo Gura

[RendHeaven]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's really basic.

Yes, but the ramifications:

If the bottleneck is her perception, then whether or not you have "objective" (consensus) status measures is secondary to the illusion you cast.

• you can spin status out of thin air
• but also "genuine" status (A list celebrity, etc.) is also spun out of thin air
• the appearance (of status) is its own substance, a self-fulfilling prophecy that snowballs out of control with just a tinge of group think (human minds pinging off of each other building a web)
  • there is no such thing as status, except when the mind pretends there is. the goodies associated with this pretense makes one want to participate, and at that point status is made concrete and the consequences of such manifest

By piercing the charade and integrating at a cellular level, one unassumingly acts like someone with enormous status

• 0 desperation, 0 fucks given, unafraid to voice and pursue desires, barely perceives losses (if at all). After all, we are all the same. What am I so afraid of?
  • ALL low-status tells stem from fear
  • by being congruently fearless you can short-circuit the status-ladder (and ironically receive the associated goodies which would physically cement your place at the top as well)
• in thinking that status is independent of perception, you are permitting "status" to be an entity that further dominates and controls your human behaviors and states, making you more fearful and stripping you of status

All that being said, If I were at a bar and Chris Hemsworth showed up out of nowhere, he would completely mog me and likely all attention would go to him. How to reconcile the fact that status seems to be simultaneously vapor and solid?

• Women flock to perceived status like moths to a flame (whether or not they admit it lol). Sometimes you can do everything "right," and still the man next to you will have spun a more vibrant illusion than you. 
  • Also let's be honest, we're NOT doing everything "right." Still so full of fear. Fearlessness is Infinite.
  • none of us have control over whether girls give us attention, validation, love, sex, or not. We can only control our degree of fearlessness over time, which correlates favorably with female attraction (but is not guaranteed)

[Leo Gura]

53 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

If the bottleneck is her perception, then whether or not you have "objective" (consensus) status measures is secondary to the illusion you cast.

Lol. Of course. That's why the whole world runs on illusions and lies. This isn't specific to girls.

Do you care if I'm a murderer if there is no way for you to know about it?

Edited March 19 by Leo Gura

[RendHeaven]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's why the whole world runs on illusions and lies.

:')

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A foot-long dick can't help you get girls simply because she doesn't know you have it

Not every girl likes a big you know what. Some like it small(ish). 😜

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Not every girl likes a big you know what. Some like it small(ish). 😜

I can personally confirm this. Meaning that my guy friends told me about it.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Bazooka Jesus said:

I can personally confirm this. Meaning that my guy friends told me about it.

Like, the "asking for a friend" line? 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Like, the "asking for a friend" line? 

Well, let's not get into details here.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Bazooka Jesus said:

Well, let's not get into details here.

I know guys don't go around discussing the size of their ting-a-ma-ling.  "Dude, i'm so small but she loved it anyway; blew my mind, yo"!

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I know guys don't go around discussing the size of their ting-a-ma-ling.  "Dude, i'm so small but she loved it anyway; blew my mind, yo"!

Hmph. I hereby formally retract my previous statement.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Hmph. I hereby formally retract my previous statement.

lmao

[krockerman]

@Leo Gura

Many PUAs have classifed Owen as a grandmaster 

And ofcourse you can classify pick up as a skill for the ego but I still think it is important to understand this about Owen.

So you say Owen does not get many girls? In his videos you can clearly see him get attraction, attention and make outs etc

If so is this faked? It's possible that even a skilled PUA could fake a video for views or to prove a point. But I want to learn pick up skill from owen and if he fakes or skew his infeild (Massive rejections to get a few good ones and only show the good ones)

Or is it actually the case that he is a grandmaster and still struggle. When you say struggle do you mean struggle to get the actually hot women? Struggle to having to play a massive numbers game?

I am just curious to get a specific review of Owens game to understand exacly what you mean with stuggleing

If you struggle to get girls at the highest level that is an honest singal about a mans ability to get girls by skill and hard work rather than genetics/external factors.

I ask this from a place of genuine curiosity

[universe]

@RendHeaven

Focus on your own sense of status (the status you perceive your self to have) and on releasing your need for attention, validation, love and sex.

Chris Hemsworth would probably not show up at your bar and if he did, he probably wouldn't be interested in 99% of the women there. 

Edited March 20 by universe

[RendHeaven]

8 hours ago, universe said:

Focus on your own sense of status (the status you perceive your self to have) and on releasing your need for attention, validation, love and sex.

that's wassup

[meta_male]

On 18.3.2024 at 11:17 AM, Bittu said:

There's always those guys who don't look great, don't have fame or status and date hot women anyway. Keep this in mind.

This is basically all I see over here. Ugly ass mullet wokies with hot girlfriends. It doesn't matter what you're fighting for, as long as you have a mission women will think you're important and then chase you. Women don't think as deep about what they get themselves into, they're unconsciously steered by their emotions, which is why it's so easy to manipulate them.

[Schizophonia]

Around 80%.

Anyone who denies this has no experience with women.

Edited March 20 by Schizophonia

[universe]

14 hours ago, meta_male said:

Women don't think as deep about what they get themselves into, they're unconsciously steered by their emotions, which is why it's so easy to manipulate them.

Contrary to men, who will always deeply ponder the things that he finds attractive in women. That's why men can't be manipulated as easily.