Leo, how much do looks influence a man's attractiveness

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Yali said:

But Owen cook’s dress does? @Leo Gura

I don't know his sex count. I'm just saying it looks cringe from outside.

[Miguel1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know his sex count. I'm just saying it looks cringe from outside.

From what I understand, he is deliberately trying to put himself into a category of one by niching himself down as much as possible. So it will look weird for a bunch of people but a percentage will love it.

Because he knows he cannot compete on looks. He cannot compete with the ''normies'' who optimize looks & dressing according to the beauty standards.

He has no chance of competing with the Apple Watch, so he markets himself as the ''Rolex''.

Bonus: when he doesn't come across as this normie well-dressed ''high-value man'', girls don't react to him in a typical manner either.

In this way, he immediately disqualifies himself as boyfriend material and sets himself as the fun-lover frame, which is ideal for both getting quick sex, and also developing a relationship afterwards.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

From what I understand, he is deliberately trying to put himself into a category of one by niching himself down as much as possible. So it will look weird for a bunch of people but a percentage will love it.

Because he knows he cannot compete on looks. He cannot compete with the ''normies'' who optimize looks & dressing according to the beauty standards.

I understand his logic.

But to me he looked better 12 years ago when he wasn't trying so hard. You don't need to try so hard to get laid. It's the wrong message to send to his audience. You don't have to turn yourself into some weirdo hipster to get laid.

Full disclosure: I sometimes dress is silly costumes when I got out, for my own amusement.

[Miguel1]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I understand his logic.

But to me he looked better 12 years ago when he wasn't trying so hard. You don't need to try so hard to get laid. It's the wrong message to send to his audience. You don't have to turn yourself into some weirdo hipster to get laid.

Full disclosure: I sometimes dress is silly costumes when I got out, for my own amusement.

I see. Nice viewpoint / angle to look at his style / game.

Ironic because he is all about being playful, letting go, letting loose, fooling around and not supplicating & qualifying himself.

But at the same time, if you truly don't care, why not sometimes or even more regularly dress however the hell you want, for fun, for your own amusement, as you do too Leo.

But I don't hang out with Owen. I don't know his dressing style really, how often he over-dresss etc.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

But I don't hang out with Owen. I don't know his dressing style really, how often he over-dresss etc.

I only know how he dresses in his videos. And to me it comes off cringey.

[Miguel1]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I only know how he dresses in his videos. And to me it comes off cringey.

Alright. Personally, I find his clothing style in his videos mostly as playful & a little bit of color to the landscape, rather than over-dressing.

But maybe I am biased, since he has, as you have too, deeply changed my life too many times.

I don't myself dress like him. I dress more classy with street mixed. Classy Streetwear is properly the right term. But yeah, I wouldn't look at Owen weird in his clothes. Perhaps I am just too used to his clothing style from the countless hours I've watched him lol.

Sometimes he uses bomber jackets but I don't think they are over-dressing either. At least not the one he uses. But I grew up in the hip-hop dance community, so these street clothes were the shit for me and I will always have a sweet spot for them, even if I have now kinda grown out of them.

Edited March 15, 2024 by Miguel1

[Yali]

how do you typically dress when going out? @Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Yali said:

how do you typically dress when going out? @Leo Gura

You can see my clubs videos on Instagram or my blog.

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura I remember his 2012 era videos he actually comes off as way cooler than he does now. He’s just so over the top and aggressive at this point

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura I remember his 2012 era videos he actually comes off as way cooler than he does now. He’s just so over the top and aggressive at this point

The character he has created has taken over him.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura we share almost the same opinion about his style. For me also he is trying too hard with this bird outfit. Its not suited for his age, his character and his overweight body. It looks just creepy and dump. 

On the other hand every generation has it's own style and maybe our generation sees his style worse than younger generations. 

Its for everyone obvious  that he thinks too much about his outfit and his posture (he has this stock in the ass posture, which looks even more creepy for me). How can that be attractive. Maybe just for YouTube videos for more clicks.

 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, OBEler said:

with this bird outfit.

Lol

[mmKay]

@Leo Gura I was wondering for the longest time why does he wear super deep neck shirts that look like he is trying to show cleavage, it doesn't look ideal imo 

After careful observation of endless  Owen content it turns out it's because he has this thing where he starts interactions with girls in clubs by whipping out his man boob in their  face which causes ideally causes them to laugh uncontrollably 

 

Edited March 15, 2024 by mmKay

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, mmKay said:

he has this thing where he starts interactions with girls in clubs by whipping out his man boob in their  face which causes ideally causes them to laugh uncontrollably 

Sigh...

[Jehovah increases]

I don't what's creepier than growing men almost obsessing about some guy's looks and love life. No wonder no one is getting any and Mr Ed always looked like a happy chappy. The men seem to Gossip more on this Forum than the women. I don't know maybe perhaps go out there and try to pick up.

Edited March 15, 2024 by Jehovah increases

[OBEler]

@Jehovah increases lol pickup is about look and love life. And Owen Cook founded pick up. So discussing his tactics (his bird look) and his achievements (his love live) is not really gossip.

 

Edited March 15, 2024 by OBEler

[Jehovah increases]

 Owen Cook founded pick-up? What do think Mr Ed Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. 

 Owen's content it turns out it's because he has this thing where he starts interactions with girls in clubs by whipping out his man boob in their face which causes ideally causes them to laugh uncontrollably. This guy is a couch and people follow him Is this a joke 

[Leo Gura]

@Jehovah increases Don't overlook the value Owen offers. It's too easy to be cynical. You can learn a lot from Owen if you really want to grow.

Edited March 16, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Jehovah increases]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Jehovah increases Don't overlook the value Owen offers. It's too easy to be cynical. You can learn a lot from Owen if you really want to grow.

I am sure he is quite the crackerjack at what he does.

[Leo Gura]

 

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And now after all this time you randomly change your mind? I just don't understand why only now you produce this answer?

It was actually triggered by my awakenings. I had awakenings that gave me much deeper insight into how attraction works. Without the awakening I was not conscious enough to see it.

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And a theme you presented from the short/royal family wing example was that : Boldness/decisiveness and big bools outweighs looks and all else (minus celebrities) - so do you now just think that looks alone overpowers extreme boldness like your short asain wing had? 

Boldness can take you far in life. But it's not everything.

Looks is also a complex issue. Someone might be short, but otherwise great looking, or tall and ugly. So you shouldn't over-simplify these things.

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So this may sound autistic but I ithink many of us would prefer if you could precisely as possible distinguish to what extent you think looks matter relative to everything else in a numerical scale, and give your opinion on what a guys limits are based on his looks ... for example, does it only matter if you're ugly? or does not being a chad matter a lot too? if you're a 6/10 can you achieve what a chad achieves with enough game? If you're a 4/10 looks guy is chasing 7/10 girls shooting too high? ect..

Look, this isn't science. Attraction is a nebulous thing. I don't have numerical scales of how it works.

You shouldn't be thinking so hard about this. It doesn't matter. You only need to think about going out and talking girls. If you start obsessing of your looks to his anal numerical degree then you will struggle to get laid, because all this thinking is antithetical to game.

You will never get clear-cut answers about attraction because it's a very messy, multi-factorial process. Dozens of factors go into making someone attractive. The more of those factors you have the higher your success rate becomes. Some of those factors you can control and some you can't. Don't worry about the ones you can't, worry about the ones you can.

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Another point on status. 

You listed  "celebrity/status" as just above looks... But does this only include extreme global status or more subtle local status - like being a boss at a random company, or the bar manager, or just power/status/approval/popularity in any context no matter how small, local ?

And if this high status guy is also ugly does the status counteract his lacking looks and girls are still attracted do yhou think? 

The status only helps if it's something she can experience or see/feel. If you're the boss of your company and you go out to a bar, no girl there will know or care. So that will add nothing to your results. But if you're the boss of your company and you want to date your secretary, your higher position obviously helps you. Or if you go to the bar with 20 of your employees and they are all flocking around you, this makes you more attractive in the bar.

There are complex tradeoffs between status and ugliness. Obviously if you look like troll but have high status then you will get laid less then if you were high status and had great looks. But you will get laid more with high status than otherwise.

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.. on purpose of breeding 

You say "the purpose of sex is to breed with more attractive people - but what about all the ugly couples that exist? there's many ugly couples and ugly people born every day, perhaps many of them are even happy together?  so people are clearly motivated to fuck without improving genes too ? 

Less attractive people pair with each other because that's the best they can get. And many people just have low standards and willing to settle with someone who they are compatible with personality-wise and looks are not a big deal for them. Most people are not so looks-obsessed. In a sense, when we're talking about pickup, it's an very biased pursuit because pickup assumes you're into chasing hot girls. Most people in the world aren't doing that. They just settle for the first girl that is willing.

Edited March 17, 2024 by Leo Gura