Leo, how much do looks influence a man's attractiveness

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Yali said:

But Owen cook’s dress does? @Leo Gura

I don't know his sex count. I'm just saying it looks cringe from outside.

[Miguel1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know his sex count. I'm just saying it looks cringe from outside.

From what I understand, he is deliberately trying to put himself into a category of one by niching himself down as much as possible. So it will look weird for a bunch of people but a percentage will love it.

Because he knows he cannot compete on looks. He cannot compete with the ''normies'' who optimize looks & dressing according to the beauty standards.

He has no chance of competing with the Apple Watch, so he markets himself as the ''Rolex''.

Bonus: when he doesn't come across as this normie well-dressed ''high-value man'', girls don't react to him in a typical manner either.

In this way, he immediately disqualifies himself as boyfriend material and sets himself as the fun-lover frame, which is ideal for both getting quick sex, and also developing a relationship afterwards.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

From what I understand, he is deliberately trying to put himself into a category of one by niching himself down as much as possible. So it will look weird for a bunch of people but a percentage will love it.

Because he knows he cannot compete on looks. He cannot compete with the ''normies'' who optimize looks & dressing according to the beauty standards.

I understand his logic.

But to me he looked better 12 years ago when he wasn't trying so hard. You don't need to try so hard to get laid. It's the wrong message to send to his audience. You don't have to turn yourself into some weirdo hipster to get laid.

Full disclosure: I sometimes dress is silly costumes when I got out, for my own amusement.

[Miguel1]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I understand his logic.

But to me he looked better 12 years ago when he wasn't trying so hard. You don't need to try so hard to get laid. It's the wrong message to send to his audience. You don't have to turn yourself into some weirdo hipster to get laid.

Full disclosure: I sometimes dress is silly costumes when I got out, for my own amusement.

I see. Nice viewpoint / angle to look at his style / game.

Ironic because he is all about being playful, letting go, letting loose, fooling around and not supplicating & qualifying himself.

But at the same time, if you truly don't care, why not sometimes or even more regularly dress however the hell you want, for fun, for your own amusement, as you do too Leo.

But I don't hang out with Owen. I don't know his dressing style really, how often he over-dresss etc.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

But I don't hang out with Owen. I don't know his dressing style really, how often he over-dresss etc.

I only know how he dresses in his videos. And to me it comes off cringey.

[Miguel1]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I only know how he dresses in his videos. And to me it comes off cringey.

Alright. Personally, I find his clothing style in his videos mostly as playful & a little bit of color to the landscape, rather than over-dressing.

But maybe I am biased, since he has, as you have too, deeply changed my life too many times.

I don't myself dress like him. I dress more classy with street mixed. Classy Streetwear is properly the right term. But yeah, I wouldn't look at Owen weird in his clothes. Perhaps I am just too used to his clothing style from the countless hours I've watched him lol.

Sometimes he uses bomber jackets but I don't think they are over-dressing either. At least not the one he uses. But I grew up in the hip-hop dance community, so these street clothes were the shit for me and I will always have a sweet spot for them, even if I have now kinda grown out of them.

Edited March 15 by Miguel1

[Yali]

how do you typically dress when going out? @Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Yali said:

how do you typically dress when going out? @Leo Gura

You can see my clubs videos on Instagram or my blog.

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura I remember his 2012 era videos he actually comes off as way cooler than he does now. He’s just so over the top and aggressive at this point

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura I remember his 2012 era videos he actually comes off as way cooler than he does now. He’s just so over the top and aggressive at this point

The character he has created has taken over him.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura we share almost the same opinion about his style. For me also he is trying too hard with this bird outfit. Its not suited for his age, his character and his overweight body. It looks just creepy and dump. 

On the other hand every generation has it's own style and maybe our generation sees his style worse than younger generations. 

Its for everyone obvious  that he thinks too much about his outfit and his posture (he has this stock in the ass posture, which looks even more creepy for me). How can that be attractive. Maybe just for YouTube videos for more clicks.

 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, OBEler said:

with this bird outfit.

Lol

[mmKay]

@Leo Gura I was wondering for the longest time why does he wear super deep neck shirts that look like he is trying to show cleavage, it doesn't look ideal imo 

After careful observation of endless  Owen content it turns out it's because he has this thing where he starts interactions with girls in clubs by whipping out his man boob in their  face which causes ideally causes them to laugh uncontrollably 

 

Edited March 15 by mmKay

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, mmKay said:

he has this thing where he starts interactions with girls in clubs by whipping out his man boob in their  face which causes ideally causes them to laugh uncontrollably 

Sigh...

[Jehovah increases]

I don't what's creepier than growing men almost obsessing about some guy's looks and love life. No wonder no one is getting any and Mr Ed always looked like a happy chappy. The men seem to Gossip more on this Forum than the women. I don't know maybe perhaps go out there and try to pick up.

Edited March 15 by Jehovah increases

[OBEler]

@Jehovah increases lol pickup is about look and love life. And Owen Cook founded pick up. So discussing his tactics (his bird look) and his achievements (his love live) is not really gossip.

 

Edited March 15 by OBEler

[Jehovah increases]

 Owen Cook founded pick-up? What do think Mr Ed Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. 

 Owen's content it turns out it's because he has this thing where he starts interactions with girls in clubs by whipping out his man boob in their face which causes ideally causes them to laugh uncontrollably. This guy is a couch and people follow him Is this a joke 

[Leo Gura]

@Jehovah increases Don't overlook the value Owen offers. It's too easy to be cynical. You can learn a lot from Owen if you really want to grow.

Edited March 16 by Leo Gura

[Jehovah increases]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Jehovah increases Don't overlook the value Owen offers. It's too easy to be cynical. You can learn a lot from Owen if you really want to grow.

I am sure he is quite the crackerjack at what he does.

[Optimized Life]

@Leo GuraThis will be some of my last questions on this forum and leo/forum if you don't want to answer me that's fine however i think my questions will help clear up confusions for the other members so if you do do it for the other members if you want 

I don't doubt that looks mater, but I think a lot of us guys on here including myself are a bit coonfused at leos apparently sudden change of attiude after SOO many years, after 10+ years of doing pickup?, and after producing a whole series based off years of experience characterized by a core tennet of looks being secondary to game and confidence, personality? And now after all this time you randomly change your mind? I just don't understand why only now you produce this answer? 

And a theme you presented from the short/royal family wing example was that : Boldness/decisiveness and big bools outweighs looks and all else (minus celebrities) - so do you now just think that looks alone overpowers extreme boldness like your short asain wing had? 

* to add context, all this confusion im presenting is in regards to hot / 7+ girls, of course most guys can get laid with any girl if they try enough, this discussion is purely regards to how much game vs looks matter in regards to attracting 6.5-7+ girls and not just any girls

Examples hinting of the apparent contradictions paraphrased from a fragmented amalgation of his qoutes in my memory : 

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Looks matter to some extent, but not nearly as much as you think they do ...

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I guarantee you your sense of humour will get you laid 10 - 100 X more then any muscles you ever build 

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"You could be white + tall + mustache + handsome + wealthy, but your in a certain mood, context ect... 
But then the short asain guy comes along but he's funny ... she's able to sleep with & date him from that. 

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she barely cares about your dick 

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He was short, and he got laid waay more than me (tbh short chads can exist i guess)

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at the 5,000 - 10,000 approach mark ... the pay off will be HUGE (Will it still be huge for average/ugly guys though?)

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Giris - like ALL types of guys ... nerdy guys, skinny guys, bodybuilder guys, just trust that whatever type of guy you are, girls out there will be into your type  - So have you changed your opinion to a more blackpilled view that girls are simply biologically programmed to be attracted to the  same thing - tall handsome symmetrical and masculine, and that is it? Because that's quite different to the "girls like all types of guys sentiment".

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If you're doing this correctly - 1/3 girls should hate you, 1/3 neutral/ 1/3 will love you (So 1/3 of the hot girls Owen approaches love him and find him their type, and same with any guy?? ... I find this type statement is very motivating and positive and many of us wish this to be true but it doesn't seem to hold up to your current attitude so I don't understand what is true or not? Why are "Looks so important" and it's such an uphill battle for Owen (who isn't even ugly genetics imo just average) when I thought that 1/3 of the girls would naturally be into him?? 

So this may sound autistic but I ithink many of us would prefer if you could precisely as possible distinguish to what extent you think looks matter relative to everything else in a numerical scale, and give your opinion on what a guys limits are based on his looks ... for example, does it only matter if you're ugly? or does not being a chad matter a lot too? if you're a 6/10 can you achieve what a chad achieves with enough game? If you're a 4/10 looks guy is chasing 7/10 girls shooting too high? ect..

Another point on status. 

You listed  "celebrity/status" as just above looks... But does this only include extreme global status or more subtle local status - like being a boss at a random company, or the bar manager, or just power/status/approval/popularity in any context no matter how small, local ?

And if this high status guy is also ugly does the status counteract his lacking looks and girls are still attracted do yhou think? 

.. on purpose of breeding 

You say "the purpose of sex is to breed with more attractive people - but what about all the ugly couples that exist? there's many ugly couples and ugly people born every day, perhaps many of them are even happy together?  so people are clearly motivated to fuck without improving genes too ? 

Edited March 16 by Optimized Life