Leo, how much do looks influence a man's attractiveness

[Leo Gura]

Read what I said before carefully. I said it is possible to compensate for lack of looks.

Two things are true at once:

1) Looks matter

2) You can still get laid with hot girls if you don't have great looks. But it is limited and you are at a disadvantage. Disadvantage does not mean something is impossible.

You guys are arguing with me other nothing. If you read what I said careful you will see there's nothing to argue over.

Edited February 26 by Leo Gura

[Vrubel]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Read what I said before carefully. I said it is possible to compensate for lack of looks.

Two things are true at once:

1) Looks matter

2) You can still gets laid with hot girls if you don't have great looks. But it is limited.

Don't you have some hardcore spiritual energy that women sense and fall for, Rasputin style? 

Also, most guys want to end up with a high-quality girlfriend even a wife. Being a player is rarely the goal. 
 

Edited February 26 by Vrubel

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Don't you have some hardcore spiritual energy that women sense and fall for, Rasputin style? 
 

You guys are my fanboys. Nobody else in the world treats me as special. When I am out about town I am as invisible as a ghost.

Edited February 26 by Leo Gura

[Vrubel]

@Leo Gura oke weird that your many deep trips did not result in a powerful aura. 

[Buck Edwards]

Why being a player is not the goal? Curious. 

[StarStruck]

Genetics don't exist. And what your "genetics" are is not written in stone. You can actually deactivate your bad genes and activate your good genes with your mind. Joe Dispenza has based his work on this. 

[Francis777]

12 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

@Leo Gura oke weird that your many deep trips did not result in a powerful aura. 

Your aura is something you can control. If your not selfish then it wont be abused and therefore not noticed in a powerfully seductive way. Many spiritual people could easily build themselves up into a powerfully blissful/high energy conscious state then go out in public and dazzle people, this is what is typically meant by spiritual charlatans. But this is all selfish games.

The more conscious you are, by default the more consciousness you are of your aura. Selfless people will choose not to abuse it.

This is also partly a fantasy you are constructing about spirituality and what it brings.

Edited February 26 by Francis777

[mmKay]

@Leo Gura

 

@Leo Gura  can you explain what is beauty ? not at the metaphysical level, but for humans.

I have been thinking about this for the last week and I shared my ideas in the other "understanding male attraction thread

The nature of beauty is slippery, and in the absolute sense everything is Absolutely Beautiful.
 

Our love for beauty , beautiful faces is a strange loop

Beauty is valuable because we value beauty. Dont conflate " beauty " with specific displays reproductive value. Thats " attractive " . if we dont make this distinction this conversation will be unnecesary fuzzy. Yes beauty is attractive, but attractive ques of sexual value are is not only tied to beauty.
 

Beautiful faces are valuable. Why are they valuable? Because we value them individually.

Ofc it has social and economical benefits , but why?  It has those benefits because we value beauty as a society as well.
 

Beauty serves no information about fertility or survival value.

It has to do with our love for the Golden Ratio, harmony of proportions and harmony of colors. all of these are technical concepts, but it's the most accurrate i've been able to pinpoint beauty.

ofc personal preferencs matter

lemme know whats your take

 

Edited February 26 by mmKay

[Vrubel]

27 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Why being a player is not the goal? Curious. 

Many people start out doing game because they just want to get a good girlfriend. Being a player has its appeals but is also decadent and shallow at the end of the day.    I am perfectly happy with a girlfriend.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

Your aura is something you can control. If your not selfish then it wont be abused and therefore not noticed in a powerfully seductive way. Many spiritual people could easily build themselves up into a powerfully blissful/high energy conscious state then go out in public and dazzle people, this is what is typically meant by spiritual charlatans. But this is all selfish games.

The more conscious you are, by default the more consciousness you are of your aura. Selfless people will choose not to abuse it.

This is also partly a fantasy you are constructing about spirituality and what it brings.

Being ethical and having powerful energy is by no means mutually exclusive. 

But yes I was under the impression that people who are truly spiritual express that in their heightened authenticity, cool and attractive vibe. But this is not as universal as I thought. 
 

@mmKay  Beauty is cosmic poetry, passion and godliness. Beauty in life is a core principle of mine.

Edited February 26 by Vrubel

[Buck Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Many people start out doing game because they just want to get a good girlfriend. Being a player has its appeals but is also decadent and shallow at the end of the day.    I am perfectly happy with a girlfriend.

Maybe a player does more good in this world just like a hooker. 

[Vrubel]

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Maybe a player does more good in this world just like a hooker. 

I don't care about that. Do whatever makes you happy. 
But girls also get their heart broken by player behavior. I am too soft of a bastard to be so cold about that. every girl I date I give a fair chance to become my girlfriend. 

[Buck Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

 a fair chance 

A Freudian slip there mate. 

 

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, mmKay said:

@Leo Gura

 

@Leo Gura  can you explain what is beauty ? not at the metaphysical level, but for humans.

I have been thinking about this for the last week and I shared my ideas in the other "understanding male attraction thread

The nature of beauty is slippery, and in the absolute sense everything is Absolutely Beautiful.
 

Our love for beauty , beautiful faces is a strange loop

Beauty is valuable because we value beauty. Dont conflate " beauty " with specific displays reproductive value. Thats " attractive " . if we dont make this distinction this conversation will be unnecesary fuzzy. Yes beauty is attractive, but attractive ques of sexual value are is not only tied to beauty.
 

Beautiful faces are valuable. Why are they valuable? Because we value them individually.

Ofc it has social and economical benefits , but why?  It has those benefits because we value beauty as a society as well.
 

Beauty serves no information about fertility or survival value.

It has to do with our love for the Golden Ratio, harmony of proportions and harmony of colors. all of these are technical concepts, but it's the most accurrate i've been able to pinpoint beauty.

ofc personal preferencs matter

lemme know whats your take

Beauty at the non-metaphysical level is just stuff that promotes survival.

You are talking about the metaphysical level, which is a tricky matter to explicate.

[Francis777]

6 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Being ethical and having powerful energy is by no means mutually exclusive. 

This wasn't my point. I'm saying it can easily go unnoticed if not explicitly expressed. And that once you are conscious of your aura a selfless person will then decide to mold it and calm it for the sake of how it might make others feel anyway, for example you may have extremely pure intentions but have such a naturally eccentric vibe that it causes people around you to feel inadequate/boring/plain and generally self conscious.

Of course this would take proper balancing to not then repress their own authentic expression for others as this would then be going in the opposite direction. But you get my point.

It's like a child being unconsciously obnoxious in their behaviour, when really they are just being themselves. Obviously we wouldn't demonise a child or an adult for this however a conscious adult might take this into account and see how they can be a bit more accommodating of people in their company.

10 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

But yes I was under the impression that people who are truly spiritual express that in their heightened authenticity, cool and attractive vibe. 

and this is not mutually exclusive either some gifted spiritual people might be come off as complete creeps and insanely strange.

But yes I will admit, authenticity is a powerful vibe if picked up on.

[Butters]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

When I am out about town I am as invisible as a ghost.

And you do approaches. So .... invisible guys can learn to approach and get laid. 

IMO the looks discussion is a distraction for guys who want to learn game. 

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Beauty at the non-metaphysical level is just stuff that promotes survival.

You are talking about the metaphysical level, which is a tricky matter to explicate.

From the human (subject's) pov these are the same. Raising your love vibration will 100% increase your attractiveness on all levels. 

Edited February 26 by Butters

[Peo]

People here seem to forget there exists something called plastic surgery. You can just get a surgeon either with money or free healthcare to change your physical looks.

Personaly thats what i did. I was born with a deformed face, so the surgeon fixed me. Not sure if it has helped me to attract more girls tho. It definitely boosted my confident when i go out on nightclubs, no longer so insecure about my looks anymore. 

[Butters]

2 minutes ago, Peo said:

Personaly thats what i did. I was born with a deformed face, so the surgeon fixed me. Not sure if it has helped me to attract more girls tho. It definitely boosted my confident when i go out on nightclubs, no longer so insecure about my looks anymore. 

I got my teeth fixed like 2 years ago, gave me a massive confidence boost. Self-image is very important in building confidence. 

See book Psycho Cybernetics. 

Edited February 26 by Butters

[Karmadhi]

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

Don't you have some hardcore spiritual energy that women sense and fall for, Rasputin style? 

I have a friend who is very spiritual, also fan of Leo. He has this thing he calls presence or awarness where if you lock eyes with him you basically "get lost in them", time freezes and you feel this weird sensation which I do not know how to properly describe in words. I had the same sensation but 100x stronger under magic truffles. I am a straight guy but even still that charms me. I can only imagine being a girl what it must be like.

And he is normal looking guy. It is pure awareness and spiritual magic he does.

I can replicate it to a smaller extent with certain people I have chemistry with (gay guys or girls) but it is not as in command or as strong as he has it.

I think it is a trainable skill. Basically being present in the moment and using ur energy.

Out of all the people that do daygame he has arguably the highest conversation ratio I have ever seen. It is rare for him to be blown out and usually a conversations ends with a number or at least a good 5-10 minute talk. 

Edited February 26 by Karmadhi

[mmKay]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Beauty at the non-metaphysical level is just stuff that promotes survival.

You are talking about the metaphysical level, which is a tricky matter to explicate.

no, that explanation falls short. Also don't conflate displays of sexual value with our love for aesthetics in our species.

I'm talking about the human domain, At the metaphysical level everything is Absolutely Beautiful. end of story

There are things that trigger sexual attraction because it signals reproductive value . In women : youth, broad hips, being emotional, having a big  butt, having breasts, eye contact, etc.

Read this slowly : We find sexual value beautiful, but not all beauty displays sexual value.

I explain my understainding of this in detail in the other post I pointed out about Male attraction.

There are specific things that do not signal reproductive value AT ALL besides the fact that it's just beautiful and aesthetic, and we value beauty and aesthetics as a species, creaing a strange loop effect  in society that ends up giving actual "survival advantage"  to aesthetic  " beautiful " people, by the technical definition of the " survival ".

Examples of beauty that don't signal sexual value :

Proportional body, aesthetic face,  harmony of colors in: clothing ,style choices, jewlery, skin tone, hairstyle. For more details check out that post.

These things can be summarized in the Golden ratio ( fibonacci ) , Harmony of colors ( Golden Ratio applied to colors ) and our preference for harmony  and order over chaos, besides personal prefferences.

It's the reason we love music and hate noise, and it's not all just beautiful as non duality folks would say. 

watch this playlist of Photoshopping people into the golden ratio. notice that actual displays of sexual value are untouched. It's pure aesthetics and fitting into the golden ratio.
 

 

The equivalent of Photoshopping into the golden ratio in music is auto-tune. Chords and scales exist. They are aesthetics and beauty in sound.

 

the metaphysical explanation of our preference for these proportions must be that reallity is dragging the physical appereance of our species towards the golden ratio over a very long stretch of time. It's everywhere else in nature .

The number that the golden ratio points at is very special. Its decimal part is infinite and it never repeats itself in an predictable manner. That's a hint from the Universe

It must be uniquely efficient as reallity does not want like being uneficient.


I want to also point out the importance of psychology : selective focus and Reticular activation system when it comes to attraction. It's possible for you to be physically ugly but if someone's selective focus is focused on only your good parts, you're atractive and perhaps even beautiful. There is a more detailed explanation for this that I can share if this sounds interesting .
 

Edited February 26 by mmKay

[Consept]

17 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I have a friend who is very spiritual, also fan of Leo. He has this thing he calls presence or awarness where if you lock eyes with him you basically "get lost in them", time freezes and you feel this weird sensation which I do not know how to properly describe in words. I had the same sensation but 100x stronger under magic truffles. I am a straight guy but even still that charms me. I can only imagine being a girl what it must be like.

And he is normal looking guy. It is pure awareness and spiritual magic he does.

I can replicate it to a smaller extent with certain people I have chemistry with (gay guys or girls) but it is not as in command or as strong as he has it.

I think it is a trainable skill. Basically being present in the moment and using ur energy.

Out of all the people that do daygame he has arguably the highest conversation ratio I have ever seen. It is rare for him to be blown out and usually a conversations ends with a number or at least a good 5-10 minute talk. 

Oh you're talking about spiral eyes.

But really it's just presence, it does definitely work