What Is A Thought?

[ivankiss]

Short answer? 

Consciousness.

There is no thought. No thinking.

Only consciousness.

No feeling or perceiving, either. 

Just consciousness.

 

But this is not satisfactory enough, for some reason.

Why does it seem like there is a thought, when there isn't? Why does it seem as if someone is thinking, when no one is?

What is consciousness up to?

Instead of giving further explanations, I would invite you to, if you have the luxary of being able to drop all thinking for 3 - 5 or more seconds... do that, and watch closely the first thought coming into being. What is it, actually? Where does it come from and where does it go? Really zoom in on it - if you will. Pay close attention. Feel the thought.

Come back and let me know what you discovered.

Edited February 20 by ivankiss

[LSD-Rumi]

The question is, Does God?

[Reciprocality]

A thought is a very densely packed representation of one of two things.

Either A) something that you have once experienced or B) a solution to the contradictions that occurs when the things that you experience now comes in contact with A, a representation.

 

The former goes often by the name of "idea" or "imagination", the latter goes by the name of "concept" or really: logic.

Edited February 20 by Reciprocality

[ivankiss]

Does it occur at will or against it?

[Breakingthewall]

Thought is a function of the human mind, created by the brain, created by life. It is another function, such as the creation of images from light reflecting on objects, or sounds from vibrations. The thought creates aspatiotemporal world whose center is an entity that perceives itself as a perceiver and thinker, and that is an energetic structure that we call the human psyche, but that is not really an actor but a product. When the self realizes this it gets broken, then the true nature of what is is manifested, the unlimited impersonal existence that flows. 

Edited February 20 by Breakingthewall

[Reciprocality]

@ivankiss  Sometimes against the will, but since the precise thoughts we think are here for a purpose and the will is always essential to purposivity it would be hard to argue that most thoughts are not the effect of will.

[Reciprocality]

But that does not mean that the thoughts occurs by an intension of that thought the preceding moment, as my statement could be interpreted as. 

Clearer: For most if not all our intensions to be realised a thought must exist prior to the physical effect, but that does not entail that all thoughts must be intended, I would even argue that though most thoughts are not contrary to the will it is also not the direct consequence of will, arguing opposingly implies a false dichotomy of will-illwill.

Edited February 20 by Reciprocality

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

A so-called thought is a part of THIS, like everything else.

It arises all by itself, like everything else.

It comes from nowhere, like everything else.

It's substance is nothing, like everything else.

The notion "this is my thought" is... drumroll please... just another thought. So the ownership of a thought is based on a thought, which means that it is based on nothing. Funny, huh?

Why is it that way? Well, why not?

[James123]

1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

Short answer? 

Consciousness.

There is no thought. No thinking.

Only consciousness.

No feeling or perceiving, either. 

Just consciousness.

 

But this is not satisfactory enough, for some reason.

Why does it seem like there is a thought, when there isn't? Why does it seem as if someone is thinking, when no one is?

What is consciousness up to?

Instead of giving further explanations, I would invite you to, if you have the luxary of being able to drop all thinking for 3 - 5 or more seconds... do that, and watch closely the first thought coming into being. What is it, actually? Where does it come from and where does it go? Really zoom in on it - if you will. Pay close attention. Feel the thought.

Come back and let me know what you discovered.

Biggest İllusion. 

[Reciprocality]

35 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

It comes from nowhere, like everything else.

It's substance is nothing, like everything else.

@Bazooka Jesus Though I will certainly agree that thoughts are spontaneous, and they have no material substance, they are non the less distinct, implying that your criterion for the concept of substance is more than distinctness, but if we investigate a common definition of substance, that it is something that is a predicate of nothing else, then this definition would contradict your assertion that thoughts comes from nowhere, for all things which comes from nowhere are to that extent predicates of nothing and therefore substantial.

Edited February 20 by Reciprocality

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

8 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

@Bazooka Jesus Though I will certainly agree that thoughts are spontaneous, and they have no material substance, they are non the less distinct, implying that your criterion for the concept of substance is more than distinctness, but if we investigate a common definition of substance, that it is something that is a predicate of nothing else, then this definition would contradict your assertion that thoughts comes from nowhere, for all things which comes from nowhere are to that extent predicates of nothing.

 

Edit: I am sorry, I phrased this the wrong way, will fix it later.

 

[Reciprocality]

@Bazooka Jesus  Yeah don't you hate it when they treat you like an adult and hold you to your own words.

[ivankiss]

What if there never ever was a thought? 

Wouldn't that be a mindfuck?

On a sidenote: try this out...

Ask yourself, silently or aloud: "what will my next thought be?" 

Watch your mind bug for a moment... and then when the thought does arise... do it again. Ask yourself the same question.

Keep doing this until you are unable to have a single thought without willing it first.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

48 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

@Bazooka Jesus  Yeah don't you hate it when they treat you like an adult and hold you to your own words.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[gettoefl]

a thought is a dreamer's well meaning attempt to fracture reality and perpetuate said reality

what i think i manifest, i put good in my life and to make it interesting i put bad in my life

i think this tree into existence, it is stored in my memory vault and i plant it on the screen in front of me and i say, it is good - let us eat from it adam

this is all just a fun game of color and light and artistry

if i abide without a thought all is whole and pristine as it always was and always will be

and outside the dream, there isn't a thought since only one things happens, love expansion perfection

[Reciprocality]

@Bazooka Jesus :D

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

 

Lmao

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, ivankiss said:

What if there never ever was a thought? 

It could be having no thoughts and still being a limited self that sees itself as the center of experience. For example, if you are a rat. Thoughts are a function of the brain, like vision or hunger. They are an evolutionary step that allows the existence of a new being, the collective mind.

Thoughts are a human manifestation of the psyche, but there is a psyche without thoughts. a dog has attachment and fear, a defined psyche. Thoughts create a new type of self, or center, the center that analyzes and compares, that give meaning. a dog is the center that perceives and reacts. It is a different quality. the analyzing and meaning-giving self, created by thought, creates time from the change. This is the self that can become aware of what is and open to the immensity of reality. a dog can't. Thought is necessary for this, without it there are only mental impulses of perception and reaction that keep the self trapped in itself until it's end

Edited February 20 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

"What Is A Thought?" is a thought... which is also another thought...

Yeah, everything that is defined or communicated are thoughts. A though could be a tool for freedom.

[Breakingthewall]

We are all inside a bubble. We seem like the center of the bubble, but really we are the entire bubble. Everything that appears is created by us, the bubble, but it is created from real models that are outside our bubble. This is solipsism, a mistaken idea that equates God with the bubble and affirms that what appears in it, the others, is imaginary, has no foundation. They have it, the bubble is just a reflection, reality is real. We are completely limited to the bubble that we are until death, but we can make its walls transparent, we can open the doors of perception and see without limit. To do this you have to perform an action, you have to let the self, the center, fall. No one can explain how to do this I would say, but one thing is certain, thought must be completely deactivated of its force, and its force is the meaning.

Edited February 20 by Breakingthewall