AGI is coming

[Girzo]

6 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Absolutely. But you are forgetting that small businesses are much more efficient in producing value far more than these giant corporations.

Not necessarily.

I think you are making many assumptions that are not grounded in data. But they could be. With some examples, some scientific papers.

I am just not convinced by your way of arguing by assertively and repeatedly stating your opinion. Without the empirical grounding, you know.

[Yimpa]

@Girzo How do you feel about AI as it pertains to your day to day life? 

[erik8lrl]

Microsoft controlling behind OpenAI is bad. 

Edited March 2 by erik8lrl

[Bobby_2021]

10 hours ago, Girzo said:

Not necessarily.

I think you are making many assumptions that are not grounded in data. But they could be. With some examples, some scientific papers.

I am just not convinced by your way of arguing by assertively and repeatedly stating your opinion. Without the empirical grounding, you know.

This particular point being true isn't even relevant.

The government should not oppress small business regardless of whether they are efficient or not. All big corporations started off in someone garage. They are not going to grow and disrupt if government is going to oppress them. 

[Bobby_2021]

13 hours ago, thenondualtankie said:

If small businesses were more efficient at producing economic value than mega corporations, then we wouldn't have mega corporations in the first place.

Mega corporations are highly effective at creating economic value.

The point is efficiency. Not efficacy per say. Big corporations have plenty of red tape and decision makers to go through to get something done.

That's not the case with smal business, especially if they are run by talented individuals. 

[Girzo]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

All big corporations started off in someone garage.

Not really. You make LOTS of assumptions that aren't true.

New big corporations start as venture capital investments and not garage projects. Old are often by products of old money or financed by governements.

Just because there's Apple and Amazon it doesn't mean it's the default story.

[thenondualtankie]

14 hours ago, LordFall said:

@thenondualtankie I would argue mostly the point of government is more physical security than anything economical. If anything when they get too economical is when we start to see issues. 

The role of government is much more than just providing physical security. It's to make sure society runs effectively. The point of society is to build material wealth (this holds true until we have superabundance). That means the point of government is to maximize the building of material wealth. This involves everything the government does, including the justice system, education, military (so yes physical security), whatever.

If there were no justice in a capitalist system, then some companies would have an unfair advantage over others. This means that the disadvantaged companies cannot produce as much value. The result is less overall value production than if all companies had a level playing field. That's why you need things like the prevention of false advertising (as well as a huge range of other laws that make capitalism more fair). Because otherwise, companies providing real value by not doing false advertising are disadvantaged. This is bad for society.

Education increases the amount of value that individuals can provide to society. That's the only reason it exists.

And then of course we have private property protection (as well as other forms of physical protection) as you mentioned. But there's a lot more to government than just this.

Edited March 2 by thenondualtankie

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Girzo said:

Not really. You make LOTS of assumptions that aren't true

I just don't get how it isn't true. Talk by giving examples to support your claims. 

Check the software biggest companies by market cap. All of them started in a garage or someone's dorm room.

Msft, Nvidia, Amazon, Google, Meta, Tesla all had very humble beginnings. 

Aka a small business. 

But there were no govt regulations to pester them while they were growing. They made the most of the wild west.

1 hour ago, Girzo said:

New big corporations start as venture capital investments and not garage projects

The VC funding comes only when the owners can prove that they can have viable profit generation scope in future.  They still start off as small business. 

No one will throw money at you for fun and those that do are highly likely to fail. All big money starts off somewhere small.

Still it's something to think about when government props up regulations, we are not seeing garage based businesses succeed like they used to. 

[ExplorerMystic]

@erik8lrl  Most of AI hype is to woo investor and keep other AI competitors in check . so everybody is on there toes which is good as development will happen faster. AGI is too early to even have discussion on . What AI will bring is more sophisticated automation which will cut the output time for a specific / complex work to bare minimum.

I think in future AGI will come in form of specific areas of human intelligence and not total full blown AGI which will compete with human .

[erik8lrl]

58 minutes ago, ExplorerMystic said:

What AI will bring is more sophisticated automation which will cut the output time for a specific / complex work to bare minimum.

I think in future AGI will come in form of specific areas of human intelligence and not total full blown AGI which will compete with human .

Yes, that's my point too. 

[Hardkill]

We are living in a Gilded age 2.0 and it MUST be followed by a Progressive Era 2.0.....

Otherwise, it will be the end of all humanity....

Edited March 26 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

We are living in a Gilded age

I prefer to call it The Toxic Age

[Bobby_2021]

We all know this is the scarcity age. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

We all know this is the scarcity age. 

That's interesting. I was gonna say, Scarcity Age was 5000 years ago. But which is really more scarce?

[Girzo]

@Leo Gura It's a nice reconceptualization when you think of some nomads in the tundra actually having more than enough of water in the form of snow, energy in the form wood and food in the form of thriving ecosystem.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Girzo said:

@Leo Gura It's a nice reconceptualization when you think of some nomads in the tundra actually having more than enough of water in the form of snow, energy in the form wood and food in the form of thriving ecosystem.

Some did, some didn't. It really depends on the time and place. And also the political situation.

Edited March 26 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's interesting. I was gonna say, Scarcity Age was 5000 years ago. But which is really more scarce?

My dude we are still using dead plants and metals to keep the lights on just like we did 5000 years ago.

Just because we got more more dead plants to power us doesn't make it any better. This is still the scarcity age like 5000 years ago. Nothing has really changed. Pathetic state of affairs.

The bare minimum is nuclear fusion or harness the energy of sun. Until then it's sticks and stones all the way. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

scarcity age like 5000 years ago

Maybe it wasn't scarcity 5000 years ago.

No lights, no problem.

[Cosmin Visan]

Relax, there will be no AGI or AI or fluffy robots to sleep with, for the trivial reason that intelligence is a property of consciousness and consciousness is the nature of reality and you cannot simulate the nature of reality. One characteristic of intelligence is the bringing of new ideas into existence out of nothing. For this you need reason, free will, etc., not atoms bumping into each other like in a computer.

[erik8lrl]