Alexei Navalny has died

[Danioover9000]

@Francis777

17 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

1:46, does Biden's body language here seem obscure to anyone else?  Combined with what he was saying at that exact moment. "inflicts terrible crimes on his own people"

I don't know body language, if anyone here does, drop your expertise.

My impression of it was that Biden knows he is/has inflicted crimes on his people and unconsciously expressed it with his body language in this moment. I also noticed a sudden change in tone and tempo in his voice.

Seemed like the truth was accidentally seeping out about his own actions when speaking on others.

(I understand how I sound, but what do you guys think? This stood out to me.)

   I partly agree as I do body language analysis myself, so in this video:

   Yes between 1:30 to 1:55, at that1:46 mark Joe Biden was using his pinky to scratch a few times the corner of his eye, followed by 1 more scratch closer to his nose. In body language science, if a subject is feeling anxiety or stress, in preparation to say a bold lie, or to say a very emotionally charged statement the body rushes blood around the extremities especially to the face, which trigger that irritation signal on the skin. Obviously there are several other factors to skin irritation like type of soap or lotion used, a dust particle landing there ECT, however I also feel that he non-verbally, his subconscious mind knows he too is doing unspeakable evil things to his own people. I may do a detailed body language analysis of him in my own thread.

   As with body language analysis, tonality, discourse and statement analysis it's important to establish a baseline first if possible, and in this discourse Joe Biden is president giving a public speech regarding Putin, in a televised room full of reporters. Obviously if you factor in his cognitive and moral development, personality type/traits, values he has and upholds, ego development, other lines of development, especially his ideological beliefs indoctrinated, his self biases and preferences, who he is and what he fears you'll have a much better read on Joe Biden, so obviously to me he's an American with American biases who doesn't like Putin or what he stands for. Obviously to me those factors will play a role in how Biden communicates about Putin and lay all blame on him as the American number 1 enemy while minimizing his own hypocrisies.

[Bobby_2021]

They did the same to Assange and would do to Snowden of they could. 

[LSD-Rumi]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe the lesson here is: don't be reckless with your life and be careful who you go up against.

He could have done much more if he didn't surrender himself to Russia. I don't understand what was the point of that.

he wrote this to his wife 2 days before he died: 

“Baby, everything is like in a song with you: there are cities between us, the take-off lights of airfields, blue snowstorms and thousands of kilometers. But I feel that you are near every second, and I love you more and more,” 

RIP

Edited February 17 by LSD-Rumi

[Porphyry Fedotov]

Well, fuck. Unlike Putin, he was the real leader and cared a lot for Russia (yeah I know everything relative and Purin also cares a lot for Russia in his thuggish way). However, getting back to Russia after poisoning was realy stupid move. If you look at Russian history you can see that all successful revolutionaries like Lenin for example didn't live in Russia during their most active years. Lenin lived in Switzerland and Germany before Reolution, otherwise, he would've been hunted down and murdered. I don't see how being dead is helping topple the regime. Navalny was too idealistic.

[erik8lrl]

RIP. 
It's expected but the timing of this is kinda sus. Putin just had a major win in public perception with the Tucker interview. Just to ruin it with this. He already had Alexei in prison, why kill him now to ruin it, a pretty stupid move.  

[erik8lrl]

6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Francis777

   I partly agree as I do body language analysis myself, so in this video:

   Yes between 1:30 to 1:55, at that1:46 mark Joe Biden was using his pinky to scratch a few times the corner of his eye, followed by 1 more scratch closer to his nose. In body language science, if a subject is feeling anxiety or stress, in preparation to say a bold lie, or to say a very emotionally charged statement the body rushes blood around the extremities especially to the face, which trigger that irritation signal on the skin. Obviously there are several other factors to skin irritation like type of soap or lotion used, a dust particle landing there ECT, however I also feel that he non-verbally, his subconscious mind knows he too is doing unspeakable evil things to his own people. I may do a detailed body language analysis of him in my own thread.

   As with body language analysis, tonality, discourse and statement analysis it's important to establish a baseline first if possible, and in this discourse Joe Biden is president giving a public speech regarding Putin, in a televised room full of reporters. Obviously if you factor in his cognitive and moral development, personality type/traits, values he has and upholds, ego development, other lines of development, especially his ideological beliefs indoctrinated, his self biases and preferences, who he is and what he fears you'll have a much better read on Joe Biden, so obviously to me he's an American with American biases who doesn't like Putin or what he stands for. Obviously to me those factors will play a role in how Biden communicates about Putin and lay all blame on him as the American number 1 enemy while minimizing his own hypocrisies.

This is a big if, but what if the CIA killed Alexei in order to reverse public perception of Putin and Russia? And Biden knows he is lying. 
Just hypothetical tho, it's still more likely that Putin did it. 

[Ajay0]

 My respects to this great Russian hero who like Boris Nemtsov, championed democracy and free speech, and attained martyrdom doing the same. 

Hopefully, this will show that not all Russians are pro-Putin and there are potent opposition voices as well.

Generalizing all Russians as evil and tyrannical, as some are doing,  is clearly infantile and short-sighted, and suggests propaganda and cleverly crafted narratives to manipulate the thought process of intended victims. 

Edited February 17 by Ajay0

[LSD-Rumi]

4 hours ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@Bobby_2021 Why would they kill Snowden? I feel like he is of no threat anymore. Assassinating him would in fact be a bad idea, because it could sour tensions with Russia even further and would be bad publicity. I think American leaders are not stupid enough to risk such things over basically nothing.

He lived in bad conditions. 

"Navalny spent his last weeks in a Siberian prison north of the Arctic Circle, where he said he slept under a newspaper for warmth and had to eat his meals within 10 minutes.

He told a Moscow court of “freezing” conditions inside his prison, as he appeared via a video link in January to outline his case against the authorities at the penal colony where he had been held since December."

A person living in such conditions could die at any moment.

[yannick]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Brutal but expected.

He is a true martyr.

Wake up!

 

[MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Brutal but expected.

He is a true martyr.

I don't get how you guys know everyone and everything. This place is literally a "news" channel. Had to read up on hom. R.I.P to that legend.

[erik8lrl]

2 hours ago, yannick said:

Wake up!

 

Interesting. Can anyone from Russia actually verify what this guy is saying? 

Edited February 17 by erik8lrl

[Ulax]

12 hours ago, EdgeGod900 said:

This is Leo if he never left Russia.

 

Lmao, poor Leo

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here's a good discussion of who Navalny was and his importance imo.

 

Edited February 17 by Ulax

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Porphyry Fedotov said:

Unlike Putin, he was the real leader

Putin is as real a leader as there is.

Just cause you disagree with his agenda and values doesn't make him any less of a leader.

Does anyone comprehend how difficult it is to do what Putin does? 

Navalny could not be president of Russia, he would get overthrown.

Edited February 17 by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

Insight into Navalny's final moments of freedom. Ain’t no watching SpongeBob in the Arctic penal colony!

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/16/1231975533/navalny-rick-and-morty-flight-moscow-2021

Edited February 17 by Yimpa

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

58 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Putin is as real a leader as there is.

Just cause you disagree with his agenda and values doesn't make him any less of a leader.

Does anyone comprehend how difficult it is to do what Putin does? 

Navalny could not be president of Russia, he would get overthrown.

   True, a strong leader is needed to rule Russia. People conveniently forget that the Mongols ruled over Russia, and that's where they got that attitude from.

[Something Funny]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Navalny could not be president of Russia, he would get overthrown.

You don't know that.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

You don't know that.

He was too idealistic to actually govern the oligarchs and insane corruption of Russia.

What was supposed to happen? He walks into office and the entire corrupt system -- the courts, the billionaires, the military, the KGB, the mafia, the police -- just clean themselves up and play nice? No way. They plot to kill him.

Edited February 17 by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He was too idealistic to actually govern the oligarchs and insane corruption of Russia.

What was supposed to happen? He walks into office and the entire corrupt system -- the courts, the billionaires, the military, the KGB, the mafia, the police -- just clean themselves up and play nice? No way. They plot to kill him.

Yeah, but you don't know how well he would have been able to handle that. It's not like you know him very deeply as a person.

Also, in my opinion, the kind of Russia, where Navalnyi could realistically become a president, would be inherently less corrupt already.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

but you don't know how well he would have been able to handle that.

We know very well, since he couldn't even keep himself alive without power. The forces that killed him would be 50x stronger if he actually had power in Russia.

The problem with Navalny is that he would never compromise with the corruption, which is necessary in a system as corrupt as Russia. You can't be squeaky clean inside such a system. Navalny was too clean.

This is the problem with idealism. Your political ideas have to fit with the era and situation on the ground. Not how you hope things should be. Russia is a backwards place that is 50-100 years behind the West in development. Navalny was not sensitive enough to this reality. Putin is sensitive to that, which is why he's still alive and in charge. Putin understands how Russia actually is, not Western liberal fantasies. Western liberal fantasies will get you killed in a place like Russia. And that is not Russia's fault, that is your fault for playing with a hungry bear.

Edited February 17 by Leo Gura