Profound quote from the user Breakingthewall

[OldManCorcoran]

There has to be at least something comprehended or the drug trips wouldn't have any affect at all, right? How could you smoke a drug and conclude you are God/limitless if there wasn't something which you understood that led to that conclusion?

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

There has to be at least something comprehended or the drug trips wouldn't have any affect at all, right? How could you smoke a drug and conclude you are God/limitless if there wasn't something which you understood that led to that conclusion?

Understanding is not the point, at least not for me, the point is opening. 

You could say that openness entails a type of understanding, but for me that understanding is not structured nor can it be, therefore the moment you try to structure it you lose it or corrupt it. you can only see it at the moment of opening and not keep it afterward.

[Davino]

6 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

There has to be at least something comprehended or the drug trips wouldn't have any affect at all, right? How could you smoke a drug and conclude you are God/limitless if there wasn't something which you understood that led to that conclusion?

Experience is prior to understanding

You can experience a Chess Game and then you can understand a Chess game

From experience comes understanding. In a way, raw phenomena is more "fundamental" but understanding is "higher". 

You could frame it like this: experience is content and understanding is structure. Video from Leo about content vs structure

 

[Razard86]

On 2/7/2024 at 4:39 AM, Davino said:

Experience is prior to understanding

You can experience a Chess Game and then you can understand a Chess game

From experience comes understanding. In a way, raw phenomena is more "fundamental" but understanding is "higher". 

You could frame it like this: experience is content and understanding is structure. Video from Leo about content vs structure

 

Experience can't be prior to understanding because an Intelligence had to have understanding to create that experience, in fact it needs understanding to put itself to sleep into the experience. So understanding is fundamental and there is no prior to understanding. Please stop parroting what you have heard and question it. The key to the Spiritual Path is to question everything that is said and not to hold any authority figure as absolutely right. This is how you avoid falling into the trap of believing false ideology. 

Only for a human is experience prior to understanding.