Posted February 5 Great talk about Do Nothing meditation... on and off the cushion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 5 what do u all think about him claiming to debunk basically everything leo talks about? saying that god realization and consciousness are just mental fabrications Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 5 Sadhguru on "Doing Nothng" meditations, its a short, 30sec video... By doing nothing, that means its not sleeping, watching tv, thinking, or any activity on any level, its just sitting there and seeing where Your Mind goes, then realizing what it is really about.. https://youtube.com/shorts/RggF-A54aB0?si=BL4PoCupzA-D2CmJ Karma Means "Life is my Making", I am 100% responsible for my Inner Experience. -Sadhguru..."I don''t want Your Dreams to come True, I want something to come true for You beyond anything You could dream of!!" - Sadhguru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 5 (edited) Funny how this video is the main topic of another thread. Both of you shared the video only on hr apart, it must be quite good. Have to watch. Edit: Just realized they copied this video idea to start their own thread for discussion. They saw your thread first, then created a thread for discussion on the same video. I take back my comment. Edited February 5 by Princess Arabia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 5 (edited) I like Frank Yang. Contrary to popular believe I think Leo and Frank teachings synergize very well. It may be possible that Frank is in a local maximum of awakening but not in the absolute maximum of awakening, but I don't know. I'm still far from both Frank and Leo, but I'll get there. Nonetheless, Frank teachings are the most direct and profound for base-line consciousness that I have found. Peaks of God Realization are another whole bussiness that you are not gonna meditate your way into. The same way you cannot enter the salvia head space by meditating, some Awakenings require a shit tone of consciousness that may be only available through psychedelics. However, I'm pretty confident to say that base line consciousness of Frank Yang is not comparable with Leo's baseline, at all. The same way, I'm pretty confident to say that peak awakening of Leo is not comparable with Frank Yang's peak awakening, not even close. I think there is a lot to learn from both, but we all have our preferences and also our guesses of how things will keep unfolding. I also think that Leo picked Spyral Dynamics development over baseline consciousness development, which seems fair enough. To sum up: I would like to have my base line as Frank Yang and my peaks as Leo Edited February 5 by Davino God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible. There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty. We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty. There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Virtuous and Conscious. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life God is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, ... Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 The funny thing is that the way to non-doership usually leads over the bridge of concentration exercise... just sitting down and "trying" to do nothing doesn't really work for most people. But concentration is just a means to an end, not the end itself; paradoxically, the true meditative state is the very opposite of focus aka. mental tunnel vision... if anything, it is a focussing on EVERYTHING simultaneously. I always like to give the analogy of a beach ball that is swimming on the surface of the water; in this analogy, the beach ball is your awareness and the water ego consciousness. In order to get the ball out of the water, it's usually not enough to just relax and wait for it to fly upwards; you might need to push it below the water surface - which is going to require some gentle effort - and hold it there for a while (=> concentration), and then when you let it go... swoooosh, it's going to jump into the air like a rocket. So in that sense, concentration really only serves as a tool for getting you into a state of effortless de-concentration. Kind of like how Alan Watts said that the best way to transcend the ego is to take its dogged determination to the ultimate extreme until it collapses under its own pressure (which is in essence what the whole pursuit of spirituality is all about)... or in the poetic words of William Blake: The fool who persists in his follies will become wise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 Frank Yang and Leo actually agree more than they disagree. Most of their disagreement is in the wording or the explanation. You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 (edited) @Razard86 well frank yang says there is a realization beyond god realization, which cant be achieved through psychedelics, and that this realization debunks god realization and eternal consciousness. thats a pretty rough contrast to leo EDIT; Edited February 6 by emil1234 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 7 On 6/2/2024 at 11:26 AM, emil1234 said: well frank yang says there is a realization beyond god realization, which cant be achieved through psychedelics, and that this realization debunks god realization and eternal consciousness. thats a pretty rough contrast to leo He has very much changed his approach after the Perpetual Shift solidified He recommends awakening by any means because you finally wake up also from the tool. Recommended that monthly tripping and one full breakthrough of 5meo a year is of great synergy with meditation and Awakening If you study his work you will see that a great maturity of the same realization has taken place in Frank Yang changing his character inside out. He certainly has become more open minded about psychedelics for Awakening God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible. There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty. We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty. There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Virtuous and Conscious. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life God is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, ... Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 8 (edited) 13 hours ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said: In fact, here is a short critique written by ChatGPT: I can see ChatGPT one day being used to solve international disputes. Because what you just posted that ChatGPT excerpt is hilariously insightful. It actually has a sense of humor. Edited February 8 by Razard86 You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
