The Highest Levels of Consciousness Cannot be Reached via psychedelics

[puporing]

2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Hey, Let's remember to be kind here. We have different perspectives. 

Thank you.

[Salvijus]

The specialness we ascribe to being Jesus or Buddha or whatever else loses all meaning once you realize we are all equal in our true essence anyway. 

[puporing]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

The specialness we ascribe to being Jesus or Buddha or whatever else loses all meaning once you realize we are all equal in our true essence anyway. 

That is stating the obvious dude. But it doesn't change the fact that hardly anybody here is there yet, or I wouldn't need to talk about it.

[Salvijus]

58 minutes ago, puporing said:

That is stating the obvious dude

Oh. My bad then. I was under the impression that you hold yourself more special than others somehow. 

As a hypothetical question. If a person was to realize she's no more special than a blade of grass. Would she be running around announcing who she is to everybody? 

Edited February 8 by Salvijus

[eos_nyxia]

Both Jesus and the Buddha are very... mid-tier? They got the name, the image, and the reputation... that's it.

There's probably at least 1000 nameless who do not parade around advertising themselves, who know how to not be seen, as their chosen purpose isn't to ""help people"" IRL, where you'd have to nerf yourself anyway. It's barely worth it.

Not to mention that both of them were very much capped by the time periods that they were living in. More powerful, more perceptive, more radiant examples of human beings existed going back in time, also mostly nameless.

Edited February 8 by eos_nyxia

[CoolDreamThanks]

@puporing Can you answer a few questions? Please no stepping around them or saying they are meaningless. It will take just a minute or two of your time. 

Here they are:

How do you feel throughout the day?
How active is your mind when you are just sitting doing nothing?

Is your perceptual field different than what is normal? Perhaps when you close you eyes instead of it being all black it's all Light or something?
How does your body feel? 
Do you still have desires? What about appetite, do you still want to eat?
Do you feel pain?

How much do you sleep? Do you dream? What happens in your dreams? Is it different than what normal people dream? 

Thank you. 



 

[puporing]

31 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Oh. My bad then. I was under the impression that you hold yourself more special than others somehow. 

As a hypothetical question. If a person was to realize she's no more special than a blade of grass. Would she be running around announcing who she is to everybody? 

You're not there and you're just here to attack me.  

[Salvijus]

23 minutes ago, puporing said:

You're not there and you're just here to attack me.  

Sigh...

Who but ego would ever feel threatened by a question? 

 

Edited February 8 by Salvijus

[puporing]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Sigh...

Who but ego would ever feel threatened by a question? 

 

You really think that was a genuine question. It's clear as day you're the one with a big ego.  A very clever one too . You can't fool me with your attacks.

Edited February 8 by puporing

[Salvijus]

9 minutes ago, puporing said:

You really think that was a genuine question

The question was not an attack. It was an invitation. An invitation to self reflect about the difference in behavior of someone who knows to be no more special than a blade of grass and your behavior. 

Who but ego would become uncomfortable when it is being invited to self reflect? 

[puporing]

Just now, Salvijus said:

The question was not an attack. It was an invitation. An invitation to self reflect about the difference in behavior of someone who knows to be no more special than a blade of grass and your behavior. 

Who but ego would become uncomfortable when it is being invited to self reflect? 

Well you're clearly blind to your own attacking mind. 

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, puporing said:

Well you're clearly blind to your own attacking mind. 

Call it what you will. But the fact remains the same. The question reveals a disparity between your behavior and that of a true sage who knows to be no more special than a blade of grass. 

If you wish to divert the attention on me being full of ego by all means go for it. But for how long will you ignore the implications of what the question has revealed? Because the implications are huge. And you could benefit greatly by sincerely pondering them. 

Edited February 8 by Salvijus

[Yimpa]

The highest level of consciousness cannot be reached by endless arguing 

[puporing]

@Salvijus And I know I'm the most realized being , and you're not. Whatever you are saying to me. 

You're actually the one trying to divert the attention from doing the actual work and instead putting your energy to attack me.

[puporing]

@Yimpa sorry.. I really don't wish to be dragged into it.

[Salvijus]

Good. 

We can end here. A good place to stop

Tcare

[Razard86]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:49 AM, Clyde the Rainmaker said:

Absolutely agree with you here. I started having more false psychedelic awakenings in recent years as someone who's had probably over 500 psychedelic trips. Psilocybin mushrooms for me used to bring me to a place of Absolute Truth, they used to unite me with the Spirit in a purer, truer way. But all of my psilocybin trips in 2023 led to schizophrenia. Don't get me wrong, I still achieve such creative, ethereal, alchemical, supernatural, psychoanalytical, and consciousness-expanding experiences, but I just fall so deep into the abyss of it that it always turns me into a zany, schizophrenic madman in due time. My psyche can't quite handle the bottomless nature of the awakenings. Psychedelics don't get you to the end because the abyss is bottomless. You can get to a point of such Absolute Truth that it spirals into demented, harebrained, schizophrenic fiction. I'm just glad that I can still handle THC edibles and psychoactive botanicals like nutmeg and chamomile even if the magic mushrooms that once healed me greatly tend to be too much. 

I think that when you learn enough about the occult, the idea of psychedelics ever possibly being the "end of all suffering" or "the end of all awakening" starts to feel so ridiculous. Although I will add that the alchemical and neurological transformation that psychedelics incited within me is the only thing that ever catalyzed me to start feeling higher sober awakenings because it's the only thing that led me to start cutting out harder, unhealthier drugs. 

The point of schizophrenia is to show you that the voice in your head is not real, by giving you other voices that speak to you. That's the purpose of that happening. It happened to me too and I was like, of course!!! God is schizophrenic!! Every voice you experience in life is heard within you, no different that you creating voices right now to talk too.

It's like talking to puppets. Everyone is just YOU. There is no difference than talking to a wall and talking to other people. There is no difference than thinking in your head or hearing many voices in your head, or talking on the phone. It is always ONE experience.

[Javfly33]

Of course. Psychedelics are great but are limited. The point is how to stabilize those higuer states of consciousness. Because everyone can get to the peak for some moments but staying there is another matter. For that, the road is kinda of unexplored.

Psychedelics are good in the sense they 'guarantee' you 4-5 hours of proper intense state of consciousness. They are 'consistent' (as any other substance for that matter).

Ideally we are aiming to the The best of both worlds. The consistency of psychedelics and the complete state of consciousness of a balanced internal 'chemical soup'. 

[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Of course. Psychedelics are great but are limited. The point is how to stabilize those higuer states of consciousness. Because everyone can get to the peak for some moments but staying there is another matter. For that, the road is kinda of unexplored.

Psychedelics are good in the sense they 'guarantee' you 4-5 hours of proper intense state of consciousness. They are 'consistent' (as any other substance for that matter).

Ideally we are aiming to the The best of both worlds. The consistency of psychedelics and the complete state of consciousness of a balanced internal 'chemical soup'. 

Yes agreed... Think of giving a Homeless person that has never had allot of Money in their life $100 million, they would probably be dead or very very messed up in a hospital within a year, they just don't know how to deal with it, but a hedge fund manager could turn that $$ into a Billion in a year, they know how to manage it, same situation here, yes it gives You a "Grand Experience" but Your system is not ready for it, doesn't know what to do with it as no foundation has been laid, the potential is there but never explored before the Grand Experience, so it goes away and one may be worse off, the other methods of Yoga and such is slow and steady, can get You to the same place but you never fall back down...