the end of suffering

[BipolarGrowth]

On 1/23/2024 at 1:56 PM, Theplay said:

Suffering was what drove me most of all towards enlightenment.

The buddha was said to seek the end of suffering.

I can say from first hand experience that suffering can end.

Because what suffers dose not exist.

And what remains?

It can and has been called many names.

I prefer "Being".

Leo calls it "Consciousness".

Mooji calls it "Awareness" .

You can call it what you want as long as it unifies and applies to all of experience. 

I don't talk about my awakenings much with anyone so I felt like sharing it here since I feel at home with other seekers.

How much have you looked into Buddhism? It’s astounding how much work has been done toward ending suffering in its various traditions. The more I learn and practice, the more I am shocked at how detailed and effective the various Buddhist positions have been. 
 

Here you outline one aspect of Buddhist teachings on ending suffering. Anatta or the non-substantiality of self is an important part of the equation. If there is no fixed real you, there is no one to be threatened of course. Anicca or impermanence shows that not only everything changes but also how quickly experience shifts from one plethora of sensations to the next with all being unique and instantaneous. Dukkha or suffering/stress/disatisfaction shows that all of experience contains various degrees of clinging which compound the illusory character’s discontent. 
 

Dependent origination shows that nothing has inherent existence. All of reality co-arises with all aspects depending upon other aspects for the show, your experience, to emerge. Form, physical objects, and your body rely upon consciousness to exist. Consciousness relies on your emotions and other feelings to take the shape that it does. Mental formations depend upon perception to take the shape that they do. Mental formations alter consciousness. Consciousness alters the perception of objects. The interactions continue between these five categories with no one existing alone. 
 

Seeing that no one thing has a true independent substance, we can see that there is even less of a reason to worry or suffer. The entire show comprised of an individual being in a world of other beings and objects occurring within consciousness is made of nothing of real substance at all. All that remains is the ephemeral, magical dance that is imbued with liberated divinity. 

[James123]

4 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Pretty much everything that has gone well in my life came from a position of not knowing. Then I open that door and reveal what needs to be revealed.

So how do you know that there is a you ? What happened to to not knowing?

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

It starts with a decision, then the work begins. But the work should not come from a place of "fixing" the egoic self because that's just perpetuating the egoic mind and keeping it in delusion. It is a decision. Then we work from there as Source recognizing itself as Source.

 agree that a mystical opening is crucial, but I believe that a human aspect is also important, what you have called fixing. Life presents us with challenges, and if we evade them, despising them as something egoic and we turn to spirituality as an evasion, it does not work.

There are natural mystical people, like Ramana Maharshi for example, who do not have those challenges, they haven't thorns, they do not need to feel accepted, it does not hurt them to feel rejected, their human karma is resolved. Others of us have a mission to fulfill, each one knows what theirs is, what fears to face, what attachments to dissolve. Many people are overwhelmed and look for evasion, and spirituality is an evasion many times.

Edited January 26 by Breakingthewall

[Theplay]

@BipolarGrowth I've actually looked into Buddhism quite a lot and considered myself a Buddhist for some time.

But you surprised me with the dependent origination that one was new to me.

6 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

All that remains is the ephemeral, magical dance that is imbued with liberated divinity. 

 Really like how you describe it.

What really got me hooked on Buddhism is this saying of the Buddha:

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it,

Not even if I have said it.

Unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

Open-mindedness without filters is the state of a child.

Close-mindedness with filters is the state of most adults.

Open-mindedness with filters is the best state for a seeker.

[Yimpa]

10 hours ago, James123 said:

So how do you know that there is a you ? What happened to to not knowing?

No one even knows what’ll happen in the next 10 minutes, yet here we are.

[James123]

52 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

No one even knows what’ll happen in the next 10 minutes, yet here we are.

16 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Pretty much everything that has gone well in my life came from a position of not knowing. Then I open that door anPretty much everything that has gone well in my life came from a position of not knowing. Then I open that door and reveal what needs to be revealed.d reveal what needs to be revealed.

 

16 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Pretty much everything that has gone well in my life came from a position of not knowing. Then I open that door and reveal what needs to be revealed.

Where are we?

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Where are we?

Any where Consciousness imagines. One moment you’re in hell, the next you’re in heaven, then you’re in a music hall… yeah, as you can see this will go on for infinity. Being aware that this is all a dream is Awakening. Enlightenment is the end of seeking.

And now I need to do laundry….

[James123]

13 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Any where Consciousness imagines. One moment you’re in hell, the next you’re in heaven, then you’re in a music hall… yeah, as you can see this will go on for infinity. Being aware that this is all a dream is Awakening. Enlightenment is the end of seeking.

And now I need to do laundry….

LoL good luck brother 😄 😅

18 hours ago, Yimpa said:

 

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

LoL good luck brother 😄 😅

We make life harder than what it needs to be. There’s plenty to learn from doing laundry just like there is much to learn from a meditation session. We tend to have a bias that one thing is more meaningful than the other. 

[Jowblob]

On 25-1-2024 at 9:53 PM, Breakingthewall said:

There is no god who does things, it's just your ego amplified on a psychedelic trip, you don't have enough detachment for a real mystical opening. The only god there is is the unfathomable reality and it is not someone.

There is god that does things but this god does it automatically like an AI. All will be known why it has to be this way, but since you're god the image is already made out of your control in an instant. So the creation will come out of you and will be 'just is'. Your will that is deep inside of you actually controls things

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[Breakingthewall]

On 27/1/2024 at 2:19 PM, Jowblob said:

There is god that does things but this god does it automatically like an AI. All will be known why it has to be this way, but since you're god the image is already made out of your control in an instant. So the creation will come out of you and will be 'just is'. Your will that is deep inside of you actually controls things

God does things because it is alive, it is life, it has no bottom, it boils with life, it cannot help it, its intelligence and his complexity are inconceivable, its depth is infinite, but it is not someone. You are someone now, you are the being that perceives, but God is not that, it is the depth that exists, it is absolutely impersonal, unfathomable, unthinkable. It is not something, it is a well of existence. So it isn't god, its just no limits 

[Razard86]

On 1/24/2024 at 1:15 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Exactly. Us humans create stories behind our suffering, which then have to fit into the narrative of the previous suffering and so on, and it never ends. Then when you tell people to free their minds they tell you to fuck off because they have bills to pay or that doesn't fit into the storyline they are constructing for themselves as a fucking human. This is when you realize that you have to change your own fucking story and recognize your own authoritative role.

I say there is nothing wrong with story. For example...this entire forum is nothing but story. All relationships are nothing but story. So what's wrong with it? I'm not saying you have a problem with it, I just get annoyed by majority of Spiritual Seekers demonizing it because they are stuck in negative thought patterns that torment them. Just focus on accepting the truth of the present moment and negative thought patterns cease.

[Princess Arabia]

28 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I say there is nothing wrong with story

Yes, that's true that's why I said to change the story, if you notice.

[Ishanga]

50 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I say there is nothing wrong with story. For example...this entire forum is nothing but story. All relationships are nothing but story. So what's wrong with it? I'm not saying you have a problem with it, I just get annoyed by majority of Spiritual Seekers demonizing it because they are stuck in negative thought patterns that torment them. Just focus on accepting the truth of the present moment and negative thought patterns cease.

Yes story is everywhere, Your truth once communicated with Me is just a story and visa versa, no problem with it, its just that a story is not your reality..We can learn from others stories but its limited to mostly survival level of living, or it can create a sort of curiosity or inspiration to inquire more about it, the problem is that it can become too Intellectual, Intellect divides and separates, so it can only go so far using intellect, sooner or later this story we all hear has to become a Reality for Us internally, thus we have practices that are not intellectual in nature..

In Martial arts, when I was teaching I could explain it to the students how to hit someone with their fist from 1" away from contact point, but they could not actually do it, so we had drills and training to develop this short power, and then how to apply it, and they learned via actually doing it step by step, this is how it is done with most everything, same with Spirituality, first listen to the story, see how it resonates with You, then some Intellectual tools (living Now, acceptance, Responding vs Reacting), then some good practices and away one goes...

[Razard86]

On 2/11/2024 at 6:11 PM, Ishanga said:

Yes story is everywhere, Your truth once communicated with Me is just a story and visa versa, no problem with it, its just that a story is not your reality..We can learn from others stories but its limited to mostly survival level of living, or it can create a sort of curiosity or inspiration to inquire more about it, the problem is that it can become too Intellectual, Intellect divides and separates, so it can only go so far using intellect, sooner or later this story we all hear has to become a Reality for Us internally, thus we have practices that are not intellectual in nature..

In Martial arts, when I was teaching I could explain it to the students how to hit someone with their fist from 1" away from contact point, but they could not actually do it, so we had drills and training to develop this short power, and then how to apply it, and they learned via actually doing it step by step, this is how it is done with most everything, same with Spirituality, first listen to the story, see how it resonates with You, then some Intellectual tools (living Now, acceptance, Responding vs Reacting), then some good practices and away one goes...

It depends on what you define as intellect. I don't use that word because in my vocabulary everything is intellect, I consider emotions intellect, and I consider intuition as intellect because for me intellect is shorthand for intelligence. I would use the word logic when you want to talk about the intellectual use of division through symbols. 

[Ajay0]

Suffering is unconsciously reliving past memories of pain or painful events in future through an unbridled imagination. 

This happens when there is no mental equanimity or awareness, which are the signs of a trained or tamed mind .

Mental agitation and unconscious oscillation to past memory or future imagination produce psychological suffering and are the signs of an untrained or untamed mind.

[Schizophonia]

Suffering is a game about humans and a number of other avatars.
You imagine being a thing with two eyes, two arms, two legs, and being attracted or repelled by things. 

[Ajay0]

On 1/24/2024 at 0:26 AM, Theplay said:

Suffering was what drove me most of all towards enlightenment.

The buddha was said to seek the end of suffering.

I can say from first hand experience that suffering can end.

Because what suffers dose not exist.

And what remains?

It can and has been called many names.

I prefer "Being".

Leo calls it "Consciousness".

Mooji calls it "Awareness" .

You can call it what you want as long as it unifies and applies to all of experience. 

I don't talk about my awakenings much with anyone so I felt like sharing it here since I feel at home with other seekers.

The purpose of Suffering is to connect you back to the Source , call it Self or Being or Awareness. Joy and peace are natural attributes of the Self.

Suffering indicates that you got too involved and carried away by all the relative and transient things around you. Seeing that which is highly pleasant one develops cravings for them while one develops aversions to that which is unpleasant.

Both cravings and aversions are strong desires and if left unchecked, can generate negative emotions like hatred, lust, greed  which can manifest as vices and crimes. Consequently, one develops greater bondages with the ephemeral existence and becomes entangled with it even more, leading to further loss of peace of mind. It is peace of mind that translates as inner happiness which no amount of sensory pleasure can replace.

Hence the need for vigilance and diligence in disciplining the mind and our choices so that one is not carried away by sensory and intellectual pleasures at the expense of Self-awareness.