AI is not just a hype cycle

[thenondualtankie]

I present two examples for why I believe this.

1. In December, Google announced that they created an AI that beats 85% of programmers at competitive programming. Competitive programming is a form of programming where people compete to solve difficult mathematical / algorithmic problems. Here is their video: 

Programming is simply a translation task, which language models excel at. It's a translation from software requirements to actual code. This basically means language models should be able to translate any idea to full code once they're powerful enough, essentially replacing programmers.

2. In the medical scene, there have been countless stories and reports where ChatGPT accurately finds a medical diagnosis when real doctors have failed to do so for years. For example, a boy saw 17 doctors over 3 years and only ChatGPT was able to diagnose him correctly (I linked to the Reddit where you'll find similar anecdotes in the comments). This happens because ChatGPT can engage in holistic thinking across its enormous knowledge base, whereas most doctors can't think outside of their narrow medical worldview. Many of you will be starkly aware of this.

The bottom line is that we just need to wait a few more years until these AI become more intelligent and much more reliable. This is not just another hype trend like NFT or the metaverse. This is actual intelligence.

Edit: Here's a paper released just today by DeepMind. Their AI seems to outperform real doctors for diagnosis.

Edited January 13 by thenondualtankie

[BlueOak]

It will be a fantastic copy-pasting tool. It will need to be limited so it doesn't remove too many jobs, but it can greatly enhance our quality of life. There needs to be a balance between human evolution, and artificial assistance, so humans don't rely on AI too much for their development. Challenge, driven progress etc.

To keep in mind: AI has no sense of self. It doesn't see itself as separate from the data it receives. It does not have perception. It has input, a constant flow. It doesn't perceive anything, for example, the difference between on and off states. It just gets data and spits an output out.

A replication of the self, what humans take for granted, inside an AI, would be almost impossible. It doesn't function the same way a human does, at the perceptual level, there is no subjective consciousness, no consciousness focused within the AI as a vessel, just the raw data it is viewing right now. You are data to it, and so there is no difference between itself and the data it receives when it interacts with you.

Experts need to completely rethink what they are saying when talking about these subjects, but as most humans understanding of consciousness is nothing at all, they can't grasp the fundamentals. The AI is consciousness, like the leaf, or the brick, but it does not focus it perceptually like a human does.

[Yimpa]

I’m passionately in love with AI. 

 

Let me seek an AI therapist for this obsession.

Edited January 14 by Yimpa

[BlueOak]

9 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Let me seek an AI therapist for this obsession.

Jokes aside the cost of therapy for the people that most require it, means they never get it, and so the individual remains needing therapy, and their potential contribution to society never manifests. I don't like to say weight on society because it demeans an individual's life path, and the potential insights they can offer when having worked through their traumas. However, at the extreme end, if they never get help or manage to help themselves sufficiently, many also cause a negative effect collectively. Substance addiction, crime, turning into abusive personalities, breakdown of families, relationships etc.

An AI therapist for the basics is extremely useful. That's one example where this technology will change the planet if properly applied. Its analysis of more nuanced or complicated psychological conditions could be questioned, but getting a person to a functioning state can allow them to provide for themselves with enough left over to pay a professional therapist.

Edited January 14 by BlueOak

[Davino]

I can tell you that, inside the technology field, we know AI is the big deal, because of it's potential and ramifications.

Maybe noobs got fooled by the metaverse or criptocoins but the insiders didn't fully buy it. However, AI has shaken everything for computer scientist and engineers.

[thenondualtankie]

@BlueOak  To be honest I actually kind of doubt the usefulness of AI as a therapist. I think generally therapy works because of the human connection element which AI doesn't replace at all in my opinion.

What do you think?

[Ishanga]

AI should revolutionize the way society is, it should take the jobs, make it so ppl do not have to do mundane jobs over and over again on a daily basis, or labor jobs, what we need is for AI to manage our resources, make better choices that are not polictically or emotionally motivated which is the human disease of not being Conscious and not see others as Yourself, Yourself as Others. Check out Jacque Fresco, he's passed now, but he was an Inventor and had been around for Years promoting his idea of Resource Based Economy, where tech/AI would manage the worlds resources in a better way so all could be provided for, everything would be essentially free, but this is not socialism or communism, its a different set up, tech/AI would design better cities, better transportation systems, medical and educational systems, so that we could explore our creativity and true purposes in Life rather than being slaves to the dollar and other things...

 

Edited January 14 by Ishanga

[BlueOak]

3 hours ago, thenondualtankie said:

@BlueOak  To be honest I actually kind of doubt the usefulness of AI as a therapist. I think generally therapy works because of the human connection element which AI doesn't replace at all in my opinion.

What do you think?

Certainly, I agree, the human empathic connection is a crucial step for many, the building of trust and a comfortable environment.
I think a basic level of advice can be tailored via AI, as it becomes capable of mimicking human conversation. Enough to get someone on the first step as it were. That's why I call it a great copy-paste tool, but AI's are lacking in the nuance of human social interaction and critically the subjective consciousness able to observe from a distanced self for perspective. Distance allows a more objective view of something, which is one of the reasons the 'self' exists.

I never saw a therapist, like many millions of others the world over, I could never afford one. I used the information I gathered from videos or books to go from an abused anxious rebellious teenage kid over 30 years or so, slowly into a more stable mature mindset, I had no personal assistance 1 to 1, occasional posts, or conversations from strangers but mostly just life and remote videos as my teacher. - An AI could have shortened this process by drawing on the available resources created by humans by a number of years, perhaps near a decade. Although it was gradual, for me, around my early 30's I was reasoning from a more stable reality, rather than fight/flight/freeze responses for example, but even to this day (in my early 40's) I spot unhelpful behavioral patterns shaped in childhood (everyone can if they look) - I think an expert would spot them much quicker, I spotted i had a 'freeze' behavior in regards starting a new book just the other day.

Edited January 14 by BlueOak

[SeaMonster]

17 hours ago, Ishanga said:

AI should revolutionize the way society is, it should take the jobs, make it so ppl do not have to do mundane jobs over and over again on a daily basis, or labor jobs, what we need is for AI to manage our resources, make better choices that are not polictically or emotionally motivated which is the human disease of not being Conscious and not see others as Yourself, Yourself as Others. Check out Jacque Fresco, he's passed now, but he was an Inventor and had been around for Years promoting his idea of Resource Based Economy, where tech/AI would manage the worlds resources in a better way so all could be provided for, everything would be essentially free, but this is not socialism or communism, its a different set up, tech/AI would design better cities, better transportation systems, medical and educational systems, so that we could explore our creativity and true purposes in Life rather than being slaves to the dollar and other things...

That would never happen because human beings don't live according to optimization algorithms; you simply can't exclude emotional motivations from the equation.  This is just another iteration of the utopian dream; even if it's not as absurd as socialism or communism (or technocracy of old) it still has its own unavoidable problems.  Anyone who thinks otherwise does not understand human nature.  To reduce human life to high standards of living, resource management and leisure is just not thinking seriously.  Wealthy people torture and persecute each other in the West for status brownie points (virtue signaling/social justice.)  Human beings always have a choice to live up to their worst tendencies and wealth and leisure does not ameliorate these tendencies.  We already have almost death spiral demography in the wealthier countries closest to this RIGHT NOW -- you can imagine what it would be like under conditions of provision and leisure. 

(Yes, the wealthier the society, the less kids  -- unless there is some existential, in other words meaningful reason otherwise.)

You would literally have a full-blown rebellion/revolution on your hands in 20 years if you tried something like that.  You can 100% bank that.

I remember how 20 years ago you had these super-optimistic predictions how the Internet was going to usher in the utopia too.  They seem silly in retrospect.

Edited January 15 by SeaMonster

[SeaMonster]

19 hours ago, thenondualtankie said:

@BlueOak  To be honest I actually kind of doubt the usefulness of AI as a therapist. I think generally therapy works because of the human connection element which AI doesn't replace at all in my opinion.

What do you think?

The usefulness of AI as a therapist is VERY VERY limited.  Good therapists are good at creating and maintaining rapport, using intuition to guess what is likely to work with any particular client, reading people nonverbally; these elements is currently missing and I don't know whether they could ever be replicated.

Edited January 15 by SeaMonster

[Leo Gura]

AI now is like the pre 2000's internet. The internet was a gamechanger but there was also a lot of BS and hype around it.

Edited January 15 by Leo Gura

[Frenk]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

AI now is like the pre 2000's internet. The internet was a gamechanger but there was also a lot of BS and hype around it.

Yet it changed the world though

[Ahbapx]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

AI now is like the pre 2000's internet. The internet was a gamechanger but there was also a lot of BS and hype around it.

Yeah and AI is gonna be so much quicker spread , because it doesn't depend on hardware, i assume it is 50x faster spread than internet , at least...

[abundance]

I don't think A.I. is another hype cycle. Sure there's a lot of hypemen saying AGI is a few months to a few years away but there's some semblance of truth behind it. Many A.I. experts now agree that AGI will likely be accomplished within the next 10 years. How fast such tech will be adopted and impact our economy as a whole is uncertain. Historically tech takes time for people to feel real world impact. But this also isn't like any other tech. This is intelligence. 

There are also many other emerging technologies that will soon have impact on and by A.I.. Such as genetic engineering, quantum computing, autonomous vehicles, renewable energy etc.

Edited January 15 by abundance

[Yimpa]

The only thing you should be hyped about:

CONSCIOUSNESS 

[Yimpa]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

AI now is like the pre 2000's internet. The internet was a gamechanger but there was also a lot of BS and hype around it.

Welcome back to humanity, Leo 

[OBEler]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

AI now is like the pre 2000's internet. The internet was a gamechanger but there was also a lot of BS and hype around it.

What hype was around it.

The companys were overrated 

Internet as a technology cannot be overhyped. It's too impactful 

Edited January 15 by OBEler

[Dryas]

Getting an AGI would fundamentally change everything. According to Metaculus we get there by around 2030. That doesn’t seem like just another hype cycle at all.

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Dryas said:

Getting an AGI would fundamentally change everything. According to Metaculus we get there by around 2030. That doesn’t seem like just another hype cycle at all.

Just because is has the word “Meta” in it doesn’t necessarily mean it knows squat 

[thenondualtankie]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

AI now is like the pre 2000's internet. The internet was a gamechanger but there was also a lot of BS and hype around it.

I agree completely. AI is a hype cycle, but it's not just a hype cycle.