Why YOU can't be GOD.

[ivankiss]

@Davino The point is, again, that there is no 'you' or any other form of identity, at all. If we are speaking about the Absolute, that is.

If we are speaking about the relative, a chair is not more or less God than 'you' are. So why not walk around saying that a chair is God? Why does it have to be YOU?

I'll tell you why. Because ego wants to be God, more than anything. Because you all have a fat ass God complex, that's why. 

None of us exist actually. Not as separate entities. What we are, is consciousness, God, yes. But as soon as we think there is we, it's a form of delusion. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not the Absolute Truth.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

6 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Davino The point is, again, that there is no 'you' or any other form of identity, at all. If we are speaking about the Absolute, that is.

If we are speaking about the relative, a chair is not more or less God than 'you' are. So why not walk around saying that a chair is God? Why does it have to be YOU?

I'll tell you why. Because ego wants to be God, more than anything. Because you all have a fat ass God complex, that's why. 

None of us exist actually. Not as separate entities. What we are, is consciousness, God, yes. But as soon as we think there is we, it's a form of delusion. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not the Absolute Truth.

And once more, it's

time.

[Thought Art]

@ivankiss I think you are hung up on language. 
 

You could have 10 people here say “I am God” each with a different understanding of what that means. 
 

It can be said as an identity, or it can be said because someone has realized their true nature. Then, when they share it… you accuse them of building an identity. 
 

You don’t know what other people have experienced. 
 

But, “I am That” Is true. Realizing you are “The Self” is not identity but what remains, and permeates every facet of reality. 

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[Thought Art]

In a sense, 

 

Your hands right now and your human experience is what is true. So, whether it’s an illusion it’s also more true than another state which you are calling “God”. 

What is absolutely true is your life right now. Denying that most fundamental aspect can make spirituality difficult if not impossible. 
 

Imagining God is somewhere else, some other state, some other thing outside of you isn’t exactly true. God is a transcendant thing that exists in sort of a super position. Your whole life is God’s dream. You are dreaming your finite identity. God does not need an identity to know it’s God. God is infinite intelligence/ mind/ consciousness. It is consciousness, which is what you are. If God in a dream realizes it’s true nature and the finite self realizes it’s God, it can say what it knows but often with will not be knowledge confirmed by any “other”.

There isn’t anything that is not God. Human experience is God’s mask, but that is what it is doing. That’s what it is. That’s how it shows up at this moment. It’s you. That’s what you are. Regardless of your identity you are God. You can’t escape it. 
 

You can say “I exist” without it being an identity. You exist without identity. Being is fundamental. You are being. Language is limited. You are God. It’s impossible not to be God. 
 

My final comment on this thread of symbolic bullshit.

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[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

4 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

What is absolutely true is your life right now.

What's absolutely true is THIS. "Your life right now" is an arbitrary interpretation, not a fundamental fact.

[Thought Art]

Saying I am God, and I am not God is true. We need a more Toaist approach. You can’t understand God using Aristotelian logic.

[Thought Art]

3 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

What's absolutely true is THIS. "Your life right now" is an arbitrary interpretation, not a fundamental fact.

Yeah? Well what else is there RIGHT NOW?!

Something your imaging? Like, come on guys. 
 

Nothing exists for you other than your life right now. Whatever state you are in. That’s it. 
 

Sure, in a sense there is the relative domain of your life, the year, the who, etc… but that relativity is held in the absolute now. That it’s absolutely true.

 

What is absolutely true is simply what is the case. 

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[ivankiss]

4 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Yeah? Well what else is there RIGHT NOW?!

Freakin' Consciousness dude! 

Pure consciousness, right now, absolutely, forever.

And if one is fully conscious and present now, there simply is no identity. No you or I. Only direct consciousness.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, ivankiss said:

Freakin' Consciousness dude! 

Pure consciousness, right now, absolutely, forever.

And if one is fully conscious and present now, there simply is no identity. No you or I. Only direct consciousness.

And what is Consciousness but God?  It's just a word salad.

[Thought Art]

@ivankiss I am agreeing with you in my mind. 
 

But, also you can’t deny your direct experience without being lost in your mind. There are hands here. 
 

The pure ness of consciousness is The Self, as Ramana Maharshi would call it. 
 

The consciousness without an “I” would still be “You”

It just “Is”. 
 

So it’s you, and not you. 
 

Still “I”

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[Thought Art]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

And what is Consciousness but God?  It's just a word salad.

There is no where to go but here 😉

Thread is sort of silly 

[ivankiss]

@Inliytened1 Consciousness is God. And both are words yes. But direct consciousness right now is real! It's not just a word.

Or is anyone here deluded enough to claim that there is no consciousness right now?

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[Inliytened1]

Just now, Thought Art said:

 

The consciousness without an “I” would still be “You”

Precisely.   Process of elimination.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, ivankiss said:

@Inliytened1 Consciousness is God. And both are words yes. But direct consciousness right now is real! It's not just a word.

Or is anyone here deluded enough to claim that there is no conscious right now?

I get you.  But you can actually become direct Consciousness.  Right now direct consciousness is the object and you are still the subject talking about direct consciousness.  But if you actually became direct consciousness (became one with it) you would BE pure consciousness or in another words, God.  You wouldn't label it you would be too busy being it.

[Thought Art]

3 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Inliytened1 Consciousness is God. And both are words yes. But direct consciousness right now is real! It's not just a word

Do you think you’re speaking to a bunch of retards? 
 

At this point, many of us know the difference between words and direct consciousness and state.

[ivankiss]

2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@ivankiss But, also you can’t deny your direct experience without being lost in your mind. There are hands here. 
 

Direct experience = thought, feeling, perception.

Nothing more.

'Hands' is a thought.

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

The consciousness without an “I” would still be “You”

Fucking no dude haha!

Consciousness without 'you' or 'I' is just pure consciousness. It is not my consciousness, or your consciousness... it is just consciousness and it is just conscious (of itself). Nothing else.

[ivankiss]

Just now, Thought Art said:

Do you think you’re speaking to a bunch of retards? 
 

At this point, many of us know the difference between words and direct consciousness and state.

You might, but I wouldn't say 'many'.

The fact that I have to point out that there is no you in pure direct consciousness is ridiculous enough. Most of you guys disagree, and that tells me where you're at.

[Thought Art]

2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Direct experience = thought, feeling, perception.

Nothing more.

'Hands' is a thought.

Fucking no dude haha!

Consciousness without 'you' or 'I' is just pure consciousness. It is not my consciousness, or your consciousness... it is just consciousness and it is just conscious (of itself). Nothing else.

Hands are a thought on one level. 
 

But, can you look at your hands and see the direct pure qualia?

[Breakingthewall]

The debate is meaningless. If we call reality god, obviously my experience now exists, and it is reality, therefore it is god. The point is to understand what reality is, not to give it a name.

[Thought Art]

2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

You might, but I wouldn't say 'many'.

The fact that I have to point out that there is no you in pure direct consciousness is ridiculous enough. Most of you guys disagree, and that tells me where you're at.

No… you are either deliberately ignoring what I am saying or there is communication breakdown. 
 

I am consciousness, I’ve had plenty of direct experiences into infinity, and pure consciousness. 
 

At the end of the day that’s what I am. 
 

I don’t really care how your framework it in your own mind, with or without symbols or identifiers. 
 

You’re essentially doing that anyway with your own arguments. Calling it pure consciousness is a word. Calling it “I” is a word. So, what’s the difference?

There isn’t one to a Jnani. 
 

I can’t look at this thread anymore haha

Edited January 18 by Thought Art