Why YOU can't be GOD.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The debate is meaningless. If we call reality god, obviously my experience now exists, and it is reality, therefore it is god. The point is to understand what reality is, not to give it a name.

Yes but if I told you reality was atoms or a giant atom we would have a problem with that. 

Edited January 18, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Thought Art]

Reality is just a miracle 

[ivankiss]

Cool my dudes. I'm willing to drop it and agree to disagree. We are all a bunch of silly made up characters anyways. Of course we disagree. That's what we do best.

I always enjoy these conversations, even if it gets a bit heated and ugly. But enough is enough. 

You may lock the thread or continue debating. As you see fit.

All the best. Signing off.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

Reality is just a miracle 

Ergo sum.

 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

24 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Yeah? Well what else is there RIGHT NOW?!

THIS.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, ivankiss said:

Cool my dudes. I'm willing to drop it and agree to disagree. We are all a bunch of silly made up characters anyways. Of course we disagree. That's what we do best.

I always enjoy these conversations, even if it gets a bit heated and ugly. But enough is enough. 

You may lock the thread or continue debating. As you see fit.

All the best. Signing off.

Before you do - I really would like to know your ultimate position.  Are you saying we just shouldn't use the word God - or that we are indeed separate from God?  Don't bow out now - it's just getting Interesting  

[ivankiss]

@Inliytened1 You're kind of late to the party haha!

I'm saying there is real, direct, actual consciousness right now and there is no identity in it.

And ultimately, yes, I think that calling yourself God is delusion. 

[Thought Art]

Idk, I am open to everything and I’ve seen a lot of the comments here many times. Reality is challenging to understand. 
 

Many of us here have had direct insight to things regarding God and consciousness.

But, how we choose to explain it and relate to it is different amongst us. 
 

I can only ever speak for my own experiences, can only ever use my own vocabulary on a forum to explain it. 
 

A problem I see is when one person says their words for explaining it are correct, Ivankiss, and everyone else’s words are wrong. Sort of hypocritical if you think about it. If I call it “The Self”, then you say “No words or identifiers are God” and then I say I agree. Then you say “It’s just pure consciousness” and I say I agree. Then, i could said “No words can be used to describe it, it’s not the words ‘pure consciousness’. 
 

It’s silly 

[Thought Art]

3 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Inliytened1 You're kind of late to the party haha!

I'm saying there is real, direct, actual consciousness right now and there is no identity in it.

And ultimately, yes, I think that calling yourself God is delusion. 

Yes, direct pure consciousness. 
 

Yes, that is what God is. You are that.

Thinking you are pure consciousness and that that isn’t God is delusion. 
 

You are God. There is nothing else in reality. 
 

It’s not an identity. 

Edited January 18, 2024 by Thought Art

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Inliytened1 You're kind of late to the party haha!

I'm saying there is real, direct, actual consciousness right now and there is no identity in it.

And ultimately, yes, I think that calling yourself God is delusion. 

You're right actually.  Yet it's still also God.  It's paradoxical.   And its paradoxical by design.  But yes I was late

 

Edited January 18, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Thought Art]

 

[Osaid]

Big red flag when someone claims that they are aware of themselves as God, but then still have questions about God. That is an oxymoron. You are either aware of it or not. Just like you can't be partially aware of the color red. You either see it or you don't. This is exactly how being aware of anything works.

Anyways, I think people forget that "God" is still fundamentally a manmade word, and all your ideas about it were either created by you or other people. It is all just meant to describe whatever is happening right here. Are you aware of what is happening here, or just your ideas of it?

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If we call reality god, obviously my experience now exists, and it is reality, therefore it is god. The point is to understand what reality is, not to give it a name.

100%.

Edited January 18, 2024 by Osaid

[ivankiss]

10 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Yes, direct pure consciousness. 
 

Yes, that is what God is. You are that.

Thinking you are pure consciousness and that that isn’t God is delusion. 
 

You are God. There is nothing else in reality. 
 

It’s not an identity. 

If there is only God in reality, there can be no you.

You + God = 2

Pure, direct consciousness right now = One = God

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

@ivankiss

Give it a rest, brother. The identity will drop when it is ready to drop... until then, you can talk until your mouth bleeds, it won't make a dent.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

@ivankiss

Give it a rest, brother. The identity will drop when it is ready to drop... until then, you can talk until your mouth bleeds, it won't make a dent.

@ivankiss Sit in meditation for weeks. 

Edited January 18, 2024 by Inliytened1

[ivankiss]

3 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

@ivankiss

Give it a rest, brother. The identity will drop when it is ready to drop... until then, you can talk until your mouth bleeds, it won't make a dent.

Wise words, you're right. It's just that I'm also going through my process and I also have some resistance towards the truth, that is why I engage in these debates. I like it, I enjoy it, but it's also a way to peel off some remaining layers of conditioning.

Peace.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

17 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Wise words, you're right. It's just that I'm also going through my process and I also have some resistance towards the truth, that is why I engage in these debates. I like it, I enjoy it, but it's also a way to peel off some remaining layers of conditioning..

I feel you, same here. It's just that at some point, you gotta be wise and mature enough to say "screw it, let me turn off the phone and watch the new Michael Bay movie instead".

[Thought Art]

44 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

If there is only God in reality, there can be no you.

You + God = 2

Pure, direct consciousness right now = One = God

This is what I am saying. You can’t use Aristotelian logic to understand God. 

Your logic is not adequate for understanding God. You have very poor theoretical understanding of God in this area.

You + God = 1

You, yoooou, sneakily are sliding in duality. 
 

God is not an object that exists in duality. It also IS duality. That’s how non-dual it is. 

Edited January 18, 2024 by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

Haha, I love this shit. But, I am working on not engaging. 

[Max1993]

@ivankiss You are right. You got the validation that you seek. Just reduce your insistence on always being right, some people will simply always have different semantics on what God is exactly...