What is infinity?

[Ishanga]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

enlightenment or awakening or whatever you want to call it is realizing what the reality is.  This does not mean knowing what the structure of reality is. Realizing what reality is is something beyond comprehension, it is removing all the veils and opening yourself to formless existence, this is unthinkable, you do it and 5 minutes later you are closed to it.

This does not mean that you understand how and why this now is the way that it is and what will happen next since understanding is something that is within existence and in the end is irrelevant, but we still want to understand and there is nothing wrong with that. I think it  is possible to a fairly profound degree but to do so we have to empty the mind completely first, without any trace of any idea. 

Yes agreed, Enlightenment is in a way just the beginning, it brings us to a Realization, true Enlightenment means one loses their Individuality, now this realm we are on here on this planet is all about Individuality, Diversity, Duality and sorts, of course there are places of Oneness and such, but this is what this realm is about, when one reaches the State of Enlightenment they will lose that, their gone bodily/mentally, and merge with oneness, concsiousness and all that. But there are those Masters/Guru's we label them that are there as well but still Embodied and here dealing or creating Karma and know the mechanics of Life and how it all connects. I'm connected with Sadhguru, he is one of them, there may be more, but no public figures like him..they are help to help balance out things and bring anyone willing to strive to go thru the Enlightenment process as well...

[Bogdan]

On 1/6/2024 at 11:35 PM, Breakingthewall said:

The problem for me comes in the next part: I am creating reality. So I am something that at a given moment I do an action, create, and a result appears, reality, to which we give the category of dream, since it is my creation and what I am is, let's say, an infinite mind. This mind projects images that are what appears in this experience, which is imaginary. I think this is a wrong, limited, dualistic and egoic vision. but of course I could be wrong, anyone can, we are minds trying to grasp the structure of reality.

Relative reality. As Leo says. I, infinity, somewhere inside my infinitude, have limits. Otherwise I wouldn't be infinite. These limits do NOT have an Absolute Existence of their own, however. They have relative existence, from their POV, if you will. (Otherwise again, I wouldn't be infinite, if I had Absolute Limits). Your egoic self is one such relative limit, and this duality of your Full Self v.s. your relative self is a relative limit, which has a relative existence. I, infinity, do not "DO" anything from My infinite POV, to "create" you. But from YOUR POV, I do! And the mechanism of that relative creation is imagination. A thing can have relative existence only if infinity merges, or transforms (or imagines itself) fully into that relative existence.

The idea that Infinity imagines, for itself, a "world" or state of Consciousness where that relative world can be experienced without the rest of infinity, makes sense only from WITHIN that world, after the limits have been mysteriously imagined/created. Infinity "becomes" that, relatively. It "imagines" that, relatively. Consciousness can also imagine states where this is not the case. But for now, it (relatively) is, again... ONLY from this POV, where God tricks "ME" (itself) that there "exist" limits. WHY? Because it's fucking cool, idk that's what infinity "does"  

 

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

This existence, now, is absolute, I suppose you are aware of that from what you said in your first post. That is, this is infinity, but what we are trying to see is how infinity is structured, if the word structure fits.

Existence is Absolute, but the existence of your human self, your house, friends, the food you eat etc. is relative. "Human reality" is Absolute Existence, subtracting, if you will, from itself, that which is not "human reality", let's say. Again, only from our POV. It's just a gigantic paradox that is tricky to grasp.

Yes, when you close your eyes, the things you saw a second ago lose their relative existence. YES! the building in front of you stops existing relatively, when your eyes are closed, but it never loses it's Absolute Existence, as a concept within infinity, because it never was a "building", it was the awesome infinite creature  itself all along. Just like every "thing" else.