Nargis Alegria - previously nondual coach is now crazy. Thoughts?

[Buck Edwards]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No link to the crazy things being said?

How awake can one be if one takes Christianity seriously?

But Christianity also has important teachings? Why do you dismiss it completely? 

[RendHeaven]

51 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Why do you dismiss it completely? 

Because it's made up.

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, RendHeaven said:

Because it's made up.

Hmm. 

There are good and bad aspects to every religion. Christianity has a lot of good elements to it for spiritual growth. Christianity, like many religions, has various aspects that its followers and many others appreciate. Many Christians find a strong sense of community within their churches and congregations, providing support, friendship, and a sense of belonging. That's awesome right?  Christianity offers a moral and ethical framework that guides believers in their daily lives, promoting values such as love, compassion, forgiveness, and honesty. What exactly are you looking for in spiritual development? I'm not saying Christianity does not have bad aspects to it as a religion but value and moral framework development is also an essential part of spiritual work. 

Many Christian organizations and individuals engage in charitable work, helping those in need through food banks, shelters, and various outreach programs. Even near my city, a lot of people get direct assistance from Christian communities and local organizations. Christianity provides a sense of hope and purpose, with teachings about the meaning of life, the importance of love, and it teaches forgiveness which I like the most. I see some mirroring between Christian virtues and core spiritual community values. Leo said that this work is all about realizing LOVE and Christianity emphasizes a lot on the aspect of love. Central to Christian teachings is the commandment to love one another and the importance of forgiveness, which can lead to healthier relationships and personal peace, and we all look for that in spiritual communities. Although a fundamental difference can exist in terms of psychedelic usage, because Christianity doesn't talk about that and I don't have a huge experience in psychedelics so I don't know what psychedelic users are learning that is fundamentally too radical or at odds from Christian principles. I'm not sure of that. Maybe psychedelic users can shed a light on this. Even with Christianity you have personal and spiritual growth through practices such as prayer, meditation, and study of scripture, helping individuals develop a deeper understanding of themselves and their faith.Christianity has significantly influenced art, music, literature, and philosophy throughout history so one cannot discount it's major influence in shaping social and ethical culture. Many find comfort and strength in their faith during difficult times, providing emotional and spiritual support through prayer and community which is huge communal aspect that I have come to appreciate. Christianity often emphasizes personal responsibility and accountability, encouraging people to take ownership of their actions and their impact on others. So indeed there are many spiritual facets to Christianity too. 

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Hmm. 

There are good and bad aspects to every religion. Christianity has a lot of good elements to it for spiritual growth. Christianity, like many religions, has various aspects that its followers and many others appreciate. Many Christians find a strong sense of community within their churches and congregations, providing support, friendship, and a sense of belonging. That's awesome right?  Christianity offers a moral and ethical framework that guides believers in their daily lives, promoting values such as love, compassion, forgiveness, and honesty. What exactly are you looking for in spiritual development? I'm not saying Christianity does not have bad aspects to it as a religion but value and moral framework development is also an essential part of spiritual work. 

Many Christian organizations and individuals engage in charitable work, helping those in need through food banks, shelters, and various outreach programs. Even near my city, a lot of people get direct assistance from Christian communities and local organizations. Christianity provides a sense of hope and purpose, with teachings about the meaning of life, the importance of love, and it teaches forgiveness which I like the most. I see some mirroring between Christian virtues and core spiritual community values. Leo said that this work is all about realizing LOVE and Christianity emphasizes a lot on the aspect of love. Central to Christian teachings is the commandment to love one another and the importance of forgiveness, which can lead to healthier relationships and personal peace, and we all look for that in spiritual communities. Although a fundamental difference can exist in terms of psychedelic usage, because Christianity doesn't talk about that and I don't have a huge experience in psychedelics so I don't know what psychedelic users are learning that is fundamentally too radical or at odds from Christian principles. I'm not sure of that. Maybe psychedelic users can shed a light on this. Even with Christianity you have personal and spiritual growth through practices such as prayer, meditation, and study of scripture, helping individuals develop a deeper understanding of themselves and their faith.Christianity has significantly influenced art, music, literature, and philosophy throughout history so one cannot discount it's major influence in shaping social and ethical culture. Many find comfort and strength in their faith during difficult times, providing emotional and spiritual support through prayer and community which is huge communal aspect that I have come to appreciate. Christianity often emphasizes personal responsibility and accountability, encouraging people to take ownership of their actions and their impact on others. So indeed there are many spiritual facets to Christianity too. 

I don't disagree with anything said.

Your observations exist simultaneously and harmoniously with the fact that it's all made up.

[RendHeaven]

5 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I don't know what psychedelic users are learning that is fundamentally too radical or at odds from Christian principles.

construct-awareness

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, RendHeaven said:

I don't disagree with anything said.

Your observations exist simultaneously and harmoniously with the fact that it's all made up.

You might not take Christianity seriously as a concept but Christianity has benefitted people in their spiritual growth. 

 

 

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

construct-awareness

Can you expand on this please? I never truly understood this concept. 

 

[PenguinPablo]

@puporing wdym every person itt? Why

[puporing]

26 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

@puporing wdym every person itt? Why

It's just what "God" wants me to tell you, whether it gets me fking murdered or not.

[RendHeaven]

35 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Can you expand on this please? I never truly understood this concept. 

The only reason the word "Jesus" means anything to you is because there is a consensus web of mutual grounding surrounding that word.

We ping off of other humans and spin nothing into something. And this happens in all directions at all times such that "something" supplants "nothing."

The lore, the scripture, the history, the personal revelations, the anecdotes, the emotions - these are all offshoots of an ultimately groundless (but seemingly grounded) collective narrative which is given authority by none other than your own will (double entendre...)

I'm not particularly picking on Jesus or Christianity here. I describe the ontology of all things you hold as "real" or "true."

tl;dr nothing you pick up from humans is real, including what you're reading here.

Well, it is real insofar as you hold it to be so. But that is malleable and not a given ; )

So then what is real? Is anything real? What if nothing is real? What does that say about reality?

I can't answer this for you. Basic rule of thumb is to stop trusting humans. This much should be obvious as an Actualized.org blog reader. Beyond that - Dig deep. Generate your own answer : )

Live and Love. Humanity is just as beautiful as it is unreal.

[Buck Edwards]

9 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

tl;dr nothing you pick up from humans is real, including what you're reading here.

Then why is anything from psychedelics real? Isn't anything derived from psychedelics a synthesis of the human mind too? 

[RendHeaven]

5 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Then why is anything from psychedelics real? Isn't anything derived from psychedelics a synthesis of the human mind too? 

Anything you sense, see, hear, smell, taste, touch, think, or feel on a psychedelic is unreal and made up.

The whole thing is made up. You might even realize on a psychedelic that you never took a psychedelic because that memory is made up.

All things are a synthesis of MIND. This is LOVE.

There's nothing wrong with things being unreal. Since everything is unreal, there is no blame or sin in realizing such.

For example, I could tell you that your mom is a fiction. But this is not a reason to be upset or sad or offended. Because all of our moms are fictitious. So this truth deeply Unifies us. Unreality is cause for celebration.

[WelcometoReality]

On 2024-01-14 at 2:55 AM, Osaid said:

No, there is no "more enlightened." It is binary.

Binary seems like a duality too. 🙂

[PurpleTree]

Yea i also followed her videos in the beginning but then it got silly.

[Ishanga]

Anyone that follows Non Dualism too long, watching video's of ppl talking about it or reading about it, trying to practice it sooner or later will go crazy I think, Nihilism will take over then what happens, You won't care, won't Do, won't have and for sure won't ever BE...

Its an equation to Madness for sure in most cases...

[Wilhelm44]

On 05/01/2025 at 5:13 AM, Leo Gura said:

No link to the crazy things being said?

How awake can one be if one takes Christianity seriously?

There's a big difference between Christianity and Christ consciousness. I dont know about this woman, but many nondual teachers have recently had more of a love/heart awakening, and have distanced themselves from the 'dryness' of pure nondual teachings.

Edited January 6 by Wilhelm44

[shiznitno1]

Oh wow this thread got revived around a year when I posted haha.

 

On 1/4/2025 at 7:13 PM, Leo Gura said:

No link to the crazy things being said?

How awake can one be if one takes Christianity seriously?

 

Her crazy stuff is in any of her recent youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/@MaryamMagdaleina/videos

 

Currently, she has charmed this young amateur youtuber who has brought her to his platform. Though he is pretty immature himself. At least he admits his main goal is views and popularity to grow his channel. His gist is not taking anything seriously and recording it all as a practice to confuse people (which he believes is spiritually helpful)

Anyways I just like to see what's going on on this side of youtube for shits and giggles. (Immature spirituality)

 

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

@strika you will never know an enlightened being.  You have to remember that an enlightened Being has realized they are everything.   

They could decide to be a crack head on the street.   Or a fentanyl addict.  Or - they could decide to be an Elon Musk or a Trump.  Of maybe they want to be the average Joe?  Or perhaps they want to teach the stuff?

The bottom line is integration is nice - but it's not required.   And what is integration?  It's completely subjective.    You're imagining some old individual packed with wisdom and actually being the perfect Being - in your eyes.  But notice-  this is iN your eyes.  What is integration really?  And even so is an enlightened being forced to do that? No...in fact perhaps being enlightened provides the freedom to actually not be that if they don't want to.  Enlightenment is the realization of the circularity of the whole thing.  The paradox. 

You can never know an enlightened being. 

[The Crocodile]

19 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@strika you will never know an enlightened being.  You have to remember that an enlightened Being has realized they are everything.   

They could decide to be a crack head on the street.   Or a fentanyl addict.  Or - they could decide to be an Elon Musk or a Trump.  Of maybe they want to be the average Joe?  Or perhaps they want to teach the stuff?

The bottom line is integration is nice - but it's not required.   And what is integration?  It's completely subjective.    You're imagining some old individual packed with wisdom and actually being the perfect Being - in your eyes.  But notice-  this is iN your eyes.  What is integration really?  And even so is an enlightened being forced to do that? No...in fact perhaps being enlightened provides the freedom to actually not be that if they don't want to.  Enlightenment is the realization of the circularity of the whole thing.  The paradox. 

You can never know an enlightened being. 

Very good.

[Oppositionless]

On 1/19/2024 at 4:33 PM, shiznitno1 said:

Nargis isn't enlightened. She may have made progress, but has fell into a spiritual ego and believes herself to be "higher" than others.

Enlightened beings do not take any beliefs seriously. That is the whole point. Any thought/belief is fundamentally false. Of course to communicate with others and have human life, we need to communicate and have this sense of individuality. But taking that "individual" and it's beliefs and spewing its judgements on how others should behave is quite the opposite of enlightened.

I'm surprised some in here think she's enlightened.

No there are definitely gradations of opinions. Sure all opinions are ultimately consumed in not-knowing, but you can definitely be closer than others.