Hopeless incels support group

[Emotionalmosquito]

[Israfil]

3 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

This guy gets it!

Don’t get me wrong. I know if I gave it enough effort the stuff you’ve been saying could help me, like getting involved in community functions and taking up hobbies. But remember, you’re talking to someone whose patience and will power is at -200% at best. I’ve also tried some of that stuff and failed. Worst thing of all is my city is as good as useless opportunity-wise and I’m nowhere close to being in a position where moving out would be feasible. Your advice is also (correct me if I’m wrong) aimed towards setting me up for deep and long term relationships with a partner. All I’m interested in is short term, no strings attached relationships where I get rejuvenated by a few weeks or months at a time with fun and reasonably attractive (my standards aren’t outlandish by any means, so no problem there) girlfriends.

You say I need to resolve my animosity towards women, you even say that’s the very thing that’s scaring them off. Though I know for a fact there are men just as misogynistic as I am who still manage to pull mad bitches. What’s to stop me from being one of them? What I’m saying is if those guys exist, there’s obviously some way to get good at pulling girls without having to go through the grueling process of healing traumas first.

 

 

I'm not in a relationship right now. I have success in short-term dating AND the potential of having longer relationships. It's not a dichotomy by any stretch.

The misogynist guys that have "success" with women are probably living in a profound shitty state of mind. If you hate what you desire, how do you feel when you get it? Your hatred of women will frustrate you even more when you eventually get the sex you desire, simply because you despise what you wish for. I'm not telling you to handle your shit because it will let you marry someone, but you won't be able to enjoy what you so desperately want in this low-consciousness state you're in.

I tell you by personal experience. Although I did not know the term then, I've had the same anxieties and hopes you do. I managed to get out of that place. I'm just telling you what led me to a satisfactory sexual life. 

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Israfil said:

Your hatred of women will frustrate you even more when you eventually get the sex you desire, simply because you despise what you wish for

This is so true. Goes for pretty much anything in life. Same difference.

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

Even if the girl doesn’t tell you she’s not enjoying it during the act, it still counts as a rape in legal terms. Even if you had no way of knowing because she didn’t give you the slightest hint of resistance in the moment. Heck, she can even decide she regrets it well after the fact and still slap you with a life ruining sexual assault charge over it. See retroactive consent 

This is utter nonsense. I don't care about some fancy term. IT IS NOT RAPE IF SHE CONSENTED BUT DIDN'T ENJOY IT. "Your honor, I agreed to have sex with him but it wasn't enjoyable. It sucked and i didn't get to cum". 20yrs to life. Ok, well maybe more men will step up ther game in this department rather than a bunch of nonsensical words that have no importance and start to practice the art of love making or making a girl get off before they bust their own nut. Law passed.

Seriously, if I tell you yes and then want you to stop and tell you to get off me and you refuse to, that's a different story. But just not enjoying it is another. If that's the case then 80% of men have committed rape. Well, maybe 70% , ok 60% alright women, I was trying to be nice, 90%.

[bebotalk]

On 03/01/2024 at 9:17 PM, Squeekytoy said:

Reality doesn't care about morals. It's just how the psyche works. If you only ever get rejected by the one thing that you think will make you whole, it is as devastating as losing a child. Both are strictly psychological and cause the exact same grief through the exact same mechanisms. You can't dismiss one without dismissing the other. If you really want to put your money where your mouth is, you will dismiss both.

This is why incels are mocked. You cannot argue, you use odd analogies and comparisons and you cannot connect nor reason with people. You don't know how to persuade. Imagine Gandhi saying "India should be independent so we can kill all British mothers and children". Yep, that would have encouraged the British to end the Raj...

 

[Yimpa]

26 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

You cannot argue, you use odd analogies and comparisons and you cannot connect nor reason with people. You don't know how to persuade.

This is precisely how I get people to sleep in bed with me.

[bebotalk]

On 09/01/2024 at 8:04 PM, Squeekytoy said:

I have no idea what you just said.

I'm not an incel btw. Nor do I care to argue or pursuade anyone, least of all you.

Can we stop turning this thread about me now please, I'm just trying to help a poor soul out, and I'm not going to get banned over it.

I said your analogy is dumb. You're also obtuse.

[Schizophonia]

On 09/01/2024 at 9:05 PM, Yimpa said:

This is precisely how I get people to sleep in bed with me.

The Yimpa is hot. 

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

I said your analogy is dumb. You're also obtuse.

This is NOT how to speak to a woman!

[bebotalk]

On 11/01/2024 at 7:57 PM, Squeekytoy said:

I guess uncomfortable facts don't count and only knee jerk opinions matter. What else is new.  🤷‍♂️

 

It wasn't my analogy btw. You're the second one in this thread to mistake me for OP.

 

I'm entitled to my opinion on your or the OP's views. If that bothers you, then you're not as "adjusted mentally" as you claim or cite.

[Emotionalmosquito]

Guys please don’t get my thread locked. I have so much more to say, I’m just not very active at the moment. Doing these threads takes a lot out of me

[Emotionalmosquito]

On 1/5/2024 at 5:45 AM, nistake said:

What do you hope to gain by having a girlfriend?

Something to sniff and lick and fuck the shit out of and cuddle up with and goof off with and share moments with

On 1/5/2024 at 5:45 AM, nistake said:

How are you with self-love?

At the moment I love myself plenty but I’ve come to hate most others.

On 1/5/2024 at 5:45 AM, nistake said:

How authentic are you

Authenticity scares people off more than anything. Being fake af is all I can get away with anymore.

On 1/5/2024 at 5:45 AM, nistake said:

How honest are you with yourself and others

As honest as the situation allows. If your bloated gf asks you if she looks fat in a dress, should you tell her the truth or no?

On 1/5/2024 at 9:04 AM, Israfil said:

In the same way, you don't want to address certain topics,

I can’t think of a single topic I’m unwilling to talk about, try me

On 1/5/2024 at 9:04 AM, Israfil said:

For them is the weird shit you're into, for you is small talk.

The key difference is I’m actually willing to grind through the small talk when others expect it, unpleasant as it may be. Others are completely shut off to entertaining the weird stuff I’m interested in (usually) That’s where the golden rule is violated. It needs to work both ways.

On 1/5/2024 at 9:04 AM, Israfil said:

talk about something interesting or a hobby,

That’s just it. My interests are industrial grade normie repellant 

 

[Emotionalmosquito]

On 1/9/2024 at 6:51 AM, Israfil said:

The misogynist guys that have "success" with women are probably living in a profound shitty state of mind. If you hate what you desire, how do you feel when you get it? Your hatred of women will frustrate you even more when you eventually get the sex you desire, simply because you despise what you wish for. I'm not telling you to handle your shit because it will let you marry someone, but you won't be able to enjoy what you so desperately want in this low-consciousness state you're in.

Being a miserable asshole sitting on a mountain of gold is a far lesser form of suffering than being a miserable asshole who’s also flat broke. Same goes for having women.

Most of why I hate them at the moment is because they hate me, more specifically because they refuse to get with me despite my best efforts. Not only that but they also go out of their way to complain about me when I say something wrong or lack calibration. As if lacking calibration is the same as harassment. It’s like a simple “no thank you” isn’t good enough, they also have to cause me trouble. 

So that much could be ameliorated by learning the outer game techniques to no longer make the mistakes that are causing them to freak out.

The other reason for the bad blood comes from observing how they act in relationships. Stuff like showing pictures of their friends to their bf and demanding him to be completely honest about which ones he thinks are the hottest while promising she won’t be mad. Then getting mad when he tells the truth. Stuff like getting offended when he looks at other girls but he’s not allowed to get mad when she checks out other guys. Stuff like pointing out his personal flaws or turn offs to him then acting like he’s the devil when he returns the favor.

These are highly common themes you see all across the board in normal relationships. I’ve seen countless examples of it on tiktok and yt shorts and I’ve heard real life stories of these things happening from friends who don’t suck at getting girlfriends. There seems to be a widespread imbalance of power going on. 

But regardless of that I’m certain I could get massive enjoyment and fulfillment out of having girlfriends because real girls have something dolls and porn doesn’t: pheromones. Their armpits, neck and undercarriage area give off loads of them. It’s the thing that makes real sex infinitely better than fapping and drives you bananas with sexual arousal. That’s what I’m missing. That and all the kinks I could finally have fulfilled everyday for weeks at a time instead of only receiving them once every 8 fucking months while I’m asleep in a dream. 

 

 

[Israfil]

1 hour ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

Being a miserable asshole sitting on a mountain of gold is a far lesser form of suffering than being a miserable asshole who’s also flat broke. Same goes for having women.

Most of why I hate them at the moment is because they hate me, more specifically because they refuse to get with me despite my best efforts. Not only that but they also go out of their way to complain about me when I say something wrong or lack calibration. As if lacking calibration is the same as harassment. It’s like a simple “no thank you” isn’t good enough, they also have to cause me trouble. 

So that much could be ameliorated by learning the outer game techniques to no longer make the mistakes that are causing them to freak out.

The other reason for the bad blood comes from observing how they act in relationships. Stuff like showing pictures of their friends to their bf and demanding him to be completely honest about which ones he thinks are the hottest while promising she won’t be mad. Then getting mad when he tells the truth. Stuff like getting offended when he looks at other girls but he’s not allowed to get mad when she checks out other guys. Stuff like pointing out his personal flaws or turn offs to him then acting like he’s the devil when he returns the favor.

These are highly common themes you see all across the board in normal relationships. I’ve seen countless examples of it on tiktok and yt shorts and I’ve heard real life stories of these things happening from friends who don’t suck at getting girlfriends. There seems to be a widespread imbalance of power going on. 

But regardless of that I’m certain I could get massive enjoyment and fulfillment out of having girlfriends because real girls have something dolls and porn doesn’t: pheromones. Their armpits, neck and undercarriage area give off loads of them. It’s the thing that makes real sex infinitely better than fapping and drives you bananas with sexual arousal. That’s what I’m missing. That and all the kinks I could finally have fulfilled everyday for weeks at a time instead of only receiving them once every 8 fucking months while I’m asleep in a dream. 

 

 

Good luck, man. You're a lost cause.

[Schizophonia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

 

But regardless of that I’m certain I could get massive enjoyment and fulfillment out of having girlfriends because real girls have something dolls and porn doesn’t: pheromones. Their armpits, neck and undercarriage area give off loads of them. It’s the thing that makes real sex infinitely better than fapping and drives you bananas with sexual arousal. That’s what I’m missing. That and all the kinks I could finally have fulfilled everyday for weeks at a time instead of only receiving them once every 8 fucking months while I’m asleep in a dream. 

 

 

No, it's just that love/libido comes from loss of control.
A robot is not exciting because you know that in fine you (well your ego) are in control.

Edited January 15 by Schizophonia

[Applegarden8]

On 1/1/2024 at 3:35 PM, Emotionalmosquito said:

Those of you who are at the lowest point of your entire life, anyone who gets chewed up and spit out by the ruthlessness of human nature at every single attempt to acquire a girl, anyone who feels absolutely destroyed far beyond any possible hope of repair due to your crippling inability to gain any dating experience, get in here and tell me your story. Feel free to get angry and blow off some of that steam you have bursting at the seams.

We need to remind each other we’re not alone.

People often tell me they’ve been where I’m at; that they’ve faced the same challenges I’m facing. Perhaps they have, but one look at just how bleak my situation is gives me serious doubts.

Have you guys who’ve “been there” really ever fallen this far into the pits of mental hell? Have you felt like every last ounce of good vibe or positivity has been sucked out of you every time you come home from a night out, or spent most of your time feeling that way even without going out? Have you ever been to the point where the happiest thoughts you can think is for women and happy couples to be brought to the same level of misery as you? Because I’m there now.

I love this scene from Hereditary 

Always brings a tear to my eye. This is the best depiction I’ve ever seen of the inner agony of being a hard stuck incel. Of course I’ve never lost a child so it may not be identically the same, but it’s damn close. I know that feeling when I see it, especially when it’s done this well.

Just throw in some rage of a thousand gods of chaos in addition to the devastating sadness and there you have it.

Here's my two cents. Never really got laid, never really tried also. Could have tried harder, few relationships almost fell in my lap, just had to be more physical. I am 27. I still really don't care about it. If I had a habit of drinking, would probably be a father right now. At around 19 discovered spirituality and I was pretty on the idea of enlightenment and it really resonated and forgot that I could live a normal life or whatever it means. Also in a sense my idea of loneliness kinda faded away since I understood that I will die alone. Yes, I feel lonely sometimes, I crave sex and all that. But I can't imagine that being as my dream life. My dream life would be (within my possibilities) is to live healthier, have a practice room near me or live in it, and play instruments after work and otherwise be as minimalistic as I can be. I don't rely on somebody's presence, I don't really share how I am, I just sit quietly to reflect and assume that nobody gives a shit about me. The most happiness I have found this way.

There are still some women in my friends group or even work that I could make things work. But they are not interesting enough to what I could make my life than with plans and action that I do already, I guess. And that relationship takes time, effort and energy. She will also want pets, children, to renovate the house, to travel etc. but I am acctully pretty clear in my mind and I want none of that. All I want to do is in my free time is to be creative or to sit quietly (when i feel healthy mentally and physically and then I am out of addictive and procrastinating patterns which I am working on, then I just sit quietly at my lowest points usually). I guess my standards are high, and yet I am not willing to sacrifice a lot. If I will meet somebody then probably trough music.

Edited January 15 by Applegarden8

[Emotionalmosquito]

15 hours ago, Israfil said:

Good luck, man. You're a lost cause.

Idk which part of my post set you off or what you would’ve preferred I say. Whatever the case, let’s put that behind us and bring it back to this

On 1/9/2024 at 6:51 AM, Israfil said:

On 1/9/2024 at 3:32 AM, Emotionalmosquito said:

You say I need to resolve my animosity towards women, you even say that’s the very thing that’s scaring them off. Though I know for a fact there are men just as misogynistic as I am who still manage to pull mad bitches. What’s to stop me from being one of them? What I’m saying is if those guys exist, there’s obviously some way to get good at pulling girls without having to go through the grueling process of healing traumas first.

 

 

 

The misogynist guys that have "success" with women are probably living in a profound shitty state of mind. If you hate what you desire, how do you feel when you get it? Your hatred of women will frustrate you even more when you eventually get the sex you desire, simply because you despise what you wish for. I'm not telling you to handle your shit because it will let you marry someone, but you won't be able to enjoy what you so desperately want in this low-consciousness state you're in.

We almost had our breakthrough with this exchange. 

TL;DR at the bottom 

So you do admit it’s entirely possible to attract women without resolving your toxicity issues. That’s after you’ve repeatedly told me I need to resolve that toxicity to start seeing better dating results. Any fool can see that assholes end up with hot girlfriends all the time. Great. Then you raised a fair point that I probably wouldn’t enjoy having women if I’m still harboring feelings of ill will towards them once I finally start successfully attracting them into girlfriend status. So I pointed out how a massive chunk of that ill will comes from being rejected all the time. So that much of it would be gone once I learn how to make them start accepting me romantically. From there, whatever hard feelings are left over would be totally manageable and perhaps even curable once I start getting all that much needed sex and female pheromone. Let it be known that sex releases copious amounts of oxytocin, which is one of if not the most healing compound in the human body. Sure, it may not heal all my hard feelings towards women, but it will without a doubt get me lightyears closer to it. Last time I got a brief hug from a hot as lava coworker chick was about 4 years ago and I was in love with life and the universe for several days following. So imagine what sexual intimacy could do.

 

Since you admit it’s totally doable to start getting girls without resolving my issues first, and I’ve pointed out how I won’t necessarily not enjoy them just because I still have some hard feelings, all I want to know now is how to go about making that happen. 

I know I’d be much better off in the long run if I focused on healing trauma first. But that’s incredibly difficult and I happen to be not the least bit interested in anything but getting lots of women in the quickest way possible, which we’ve come to agree is totally doable without needing to fix my toxicity.

 

[Israfil]

8 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

Idk which part of my post set you off or what you would’ve preferred I say. Whatever the case, let’s put that behind us and bring it back to this

We almost had our breakthrough with this exchange. 

TL;DR at the bottom 

So you do admit it’s entirely possible to attract women without resolving your toxicity issues. That’s after you’ve repeatedly told me I need to resolve that toxicity to start seeing better dating results. Any fool can see that assholes end up with hot girlfriends all the time. Great. Then you raised a fair point that I probably wouldn’t enjoy having women if I’m still harboring feelings of ill will towards them once I finally start successfully attracting them into girlfriend status. So I pointed out how a massive chunk of that ill will comes from being rejected all the time. So that much of it would be gone once I learn how to make them start accepting me romantically. From there, whatever hard feelings are left over would be totally manageable and perhaps even curable once I start getting all that much needed sex and female pheromone. Let it be known that sex releases copious amounts of oxytocin, which is one of if not the most healing compound in the human body. Sure, it may not heal all my hard feelings towards women, but it will without a doubt get me lightyears closer to it. Last time I got a brief hug from a hot as lava coworker chick was about 4 years ago and I was in love with life and the universe for several days following. So imagine what sexual intimacy could do.

 

Since you admit it’s totally doable to start getting girls without resolving my issues first, and I’ve pointed out how I won’t necessarily not enjoy them just because I still have some hard feelings, all I want to know now is how to go about making that happen. 

I know I’d be much better off in the long run if I focused on healing trauma first. But that’s incredibly difficult and I happen to be not the least bit interested in anything but getting lots of women in the quickest way possible, which we’ve come to agree is totally doable without needing to fix my toxicity.

 

It is way harder to have and keep relationships when you're an asshole, man. Every guy I know who is misogynistic very quickly wears through their social circles and ends up alone. I'm advising you a sustainable and satisfactory path.

You can try to be the asshole and see where that road takes you. I almost killed myself by doing so, but hey, maybe you're a special case. 

It doesn't matter if you have the sex you so long yearn for if in the end, you're still as miserable as now. You think you want physical intimacy, what you really want is validation, and that validation will mean nothing if deep inside you resent the person giving it to you. You will unconsciously resent that person and yourself. You will hurt her and hurt yourself, and the backlash of that will be depression. Probably a worse depression than the one you are currently experiencing. I lived through this and see old friends living through it right now. Some patterns are very similar in life.

I'm not holding you back from doing pick-up, being a fucked up person, or hating women. I'm the universe warning you that it won't work, and will probably make your situation worse. 

But hey, part of learning is breaking a few bones. If you're so confident that your worldview is correct and that all you need to do is have sex to stop being miserable, keep looking for it. Life will show you the path you need to learn the lessons you need to learn. 

Edited January 16 by Israfil

[Emotionalmosquito]

On 1/16/2024 at 9:08 AM, Israfil said:

You can try to be the asshole and see where that road takes you. I almost killed myself by doing so, but hey, maybe you're a special case. 

So you did try being the asshole. Did it get you laid or no?

I am quite certain I would be the special case. Every time I imagine myself being such an abusive piece of shit to women that it ruins their mood, I feel oh so alive! Hey, at least then I wouldn’t be seeking validation, because that’s supposedly the number 1 chick repellent. I also wouldn’t be a creep.  Because creeps don’t go out with the soul intention of being a vibe killing prick.

For me, it’s come down to only one of two options: Be a timid, nervous, little bitch during my approaches, or, learn to be a total monster. We’re talking wife and child beating alcoholic levels of toxic but without the physical violence. Like making them feel terrible in any and every way available and using horrifyingly dark humor that’s worse than anything they’ve ever heard. 

This “being myself” horse shit is not fucking cutting it. It’s either be a nervous wreck or be incredibly mean. As much as I’d like to, I simply have no access to anything else. Being an ass is better than being a pussy, so all I can do is play the best cards I have.

Jordan Peterson is a controversial figure but one thing he says that I like is the importance of having the ability to unleash your inner monster.

On 1/15/2024 at 8:18 AM, Israfil said:

Good luck, man. You're a lost cause.

By this you meant lost cause as in never being able to find happiness, not not being able to get laid, correct? I sure hope so