Can all of Leo’s teachings be wrong? (how can we confirm truthfulness of trips?)

[Yimpa]

7 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Alas I don't think it's possible to understand correctly for people who have never had even a glimpse of non-identity or emptiness of selfhood.

A person trying to understand God is like a bird trying to scuba dive in search for earthworms. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Nonetheless, that reality, is what you are

Yes, but this is where the nuance is. As you said, reality is what you are, but it is different than: I am creating reality. I always leave a door open that I haven't gone deep enough to see what Leo is saying, but I would say there is a mistake here. The reality is, and that's what I am. This reality springs from the fact of the absence of limits and develops as a cyclical natural phenomenon (this is speculation based on insight, it may be wrong). Within this reality the self appears, which is the center of the experience, and when Leo says I am God creating reality he thinks that God is the self, when the self is creation, it is within reality, not reality within the self.  

I've seen this on 5meo, you have an opening experience, but you're still there, it's you seeing things, until sometimes, it breaks. reality is and the totality manifests. This is extremely non-normal, undefinable. You see that the self is the door that prevents vision and does so so that experience can exist. Therefore, the ultimate reality is not experience, but experience is a creation, it needs limitation. Without limits there is no experience, and what limits is precisely the self, what is born and dies. So, one could say that God creates the self, but this does not seem to me to be the case. I see that reality is organized spontaneously in cyclical patterns, increasing its complexity without a director behind it, Inevitably, it is the nature of existence

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

I keep saying that experience is not absolute, which is another misconception going around.

I give conception to this: not absolute is absolute.

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Right. God created himself. Reality is a strangeloop. That kind of nonsense.

The impossible is possible. Omg it's a paradox. 

No.

 

I would say No = Yes, but I don’t want to hurt your poor feelings 

[Yimpa]

7 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

It's not my feelings that are poor. 🤷‍♂️

The “I” that is poor is an I-llusion 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[UnbornTao]

They can, who knows? Other than grasping stuff yourself, every belief and conviction is subject to being wrong. What isn't is genuine personal insight and breakthroughs.

[Thought Art]

At the end of the day you gotta figure out what is true for yourself

[Yimpa]

When you Awaken, you will no longer need Leo’s teachings. It’s as if Leo never existed to begin with, and all you’re left with is Love.

[Thought Art]

@Yimpa Awakening though, isn't the end all being. Leo's teachings about Awakening, when you awaken you may no longer need.

But, his practical stuff could be useful if you haven't achieved life purpose, etc

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Awakening though, isn't the end all being. Leo's teachings about Awakening, when you awaken you may no longer need.

But, his practical stuff could be useful if you haven't achieved life purpose, etc

Yes, life goes on in much wiser ways. You no longer see that reality has to be one way.

[Yimpa]

17 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

@Yimpa clever word games is just about the lowest form of denial. Right after hiding in feelgood.

What you said is indeed Truth out of Infinite Truth.

Denying words as Truth is no good.

Every aspect of consciousness is sovereign onto itself. The denial of one aspect of consciousness is the denial of the whole as well.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Yimpa

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Squeekytoy said:

Calling a spade a spade is the opposite of denial.

Yes, a spade is a spade. We simply are viewing spade from a different perspective.

None of our perspectives is more spade than spade.

[Yimpa]

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