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[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, OldManCorcoran said:

Whatever way you seem to be communicating with anyone else, is just your own thoughts in your own head and the "other person" is some sort of cardboard cutout mannequin, whatever way they are appearing to you (visual, audio, whatever).

There's no sentient being in that perception. There's no living sentient being behind my eyes. My face and moving mouth is a dead lifeless perception with nothing in it, appearing in tandem with your own thoughts.

Speaking to another person, it's just your own thoughts alone in your head, it just so happens to be accompanied by the sight of a face or whatever. The two aren't connected actually, there's nothing coming from the dead lifeless image, the communication is your own thoughts in your own head. And there isn't anyone else at all.

All people are is an image with absolutely no sentience whatsoever. Their words are just your own thoughts happening in your own head. Same as if you were sat alone thinking to yourself, there isn't any difference compared to another person talking. You are just focusing on the dead lifeless image of a human being but there's no sentience inside it.

This makes sense of "death". It's cool, I think. Another thing to tell people who you want to get rid of. They'll be like 'bye, talk to you later.... or not.

[Yimpa]

Higher states of consciousness will show you otherwise.

[OldManCorcoran]

8 hours ago, Hojo said:

Did God created mannequins to move around and then he just goes inside of them and starts thinking about what is happening?

What I mean is, nothing is ever in them. People are like drawings on a page or cartoon characters on TV. You're watching them and nothing is in them, they're not sentient, they're just moving images. People are as existent as Homer Simpson.

Like dream characters also. The words of a dream character is just your own thoughts in your own head. The words aren't coming from the dream character, they are just a dead lifeless image.

[Hojo]

@OldManCorcoran i was watching a sadhguru video and he was talking about aliens and said they were cardboard cut outs too. When I saw an alien it was 2d. I will have to train my brain to see cardboard people. 

Very interesting to contemplate philosophical cardboard zombies

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Hojo

[Osaid]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

i was watching a sadhguru video and he was talking about aliens and said they were cardboard cut outs too.

Wow I guess we're all aliens

[Hojo]

@Osaid i think reality is a flat plane like a tv screen. Maybe they look so weird they appear 2d because our brain has never rendered them so we can't decipher their form properly. 3d has to be developed by seeing 2d a bunch of times. And if you have no reference of it you have to see 2d first. This might be how to see in 4d. By seeing the 3d cycles in your life a bunch you can see the cycles of 4d and can predict events in time or consciously change it.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Hojo

[OldManCorcoran]

12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@OldManCorcoran i was watching a sadhguru video and he was talking about aliens and said they were cardboard cut outs too. When I saw an alien it was 2d. I will have to train my brain to see cardboard people 

 

Would you still be assigning sentience to them though? The idea is, that there's not any words or sentience to the cutouts, just your own thoughts in your own head. People, aliens, whatever it is, it's like a character talking in your dreams, the character's spoken words are just your own thoughts inside your own head.

[Osaid]

14 minutes ago, OldManCorcoran said:

Would you still be assigning sentience to them though?

Bro you can't assign anything, that's an unnecessary input from your intellect. You don't have that power. You can't make something stop existing by thinking about it. You can't realize that something doesn't exist, you can only recontextualize what already exists. You can't realize sentience or a lack of it. Your experience simply says nothing about it. You previously believed your thoughts were sentient, now you don't. That's it.

Previously, you were on the other side of the spectrum, where you said "my thoughts are sentient", now you are saying "my thoughts are not sentient", the reality is that neither is the case, your thoughts are just thoughts. A duality of sentient and non-sentient is more thought. Transcend the medium altogether.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Osaid

[Hojo]

@OldManCorcoran no but God created it so it feels like it is. So I will just hang out and try not to get sucked into the drama. I will treat people like they are real.I beleive there is information I can learn from so rather than think about who is saying it cause there is no one not even me.i will focus on context. We might all exist in some metaphysical plane together before we reach ultimate solipsism.

God put us here cause there is a problem with us and we need to figure it out. Treat it like a mentally healing and energy and awareness sim.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Hojo

[OldManCorcoran]

46 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Bro you can't assign anything, that's an unnecessary input from your intellect. You don't have that power. You can't make something stop existing by thinking about it. You can't realize that something doesn't exist, you can only recontextualize what already exists. You can't realize sentience or a lack of it. Your experience simply says nothing about it. You previously believed your thoughts were sentient, now you don't. That's it.

Previously, you were on the other side of the spectrum, where you said "my thoughts are sentient", now you are saying "my thoughts are not sentient", the reality is that neither is the case, your thoughts are just thoughts. A duality of sentient and non-sentient is more thought. Transcend the medium altogether.

I'm on the same side of the spectrum. I mean that the thoughts you have in your head in private to yourself, is the exact same identical thing happening when another human being speaks to you out loud. Literally identical, the exact same thing is happening. It's just your own thoughts in your own head.

Edited December 26, 2023 by OldManCorcoran

[Hojo]

@OldManCorcoran you can look and find the source of all sound and focus on it. Its like a little black hole worm in your mind. I like to sit in a place with alot of noise and try to find the source of it all.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Hojo

[Osaid]

43 minutes ago, OldManCorcoran said:

I'm on the same side of the spectrum. I mean that the thoughts you have in your head in private to yourself, is the exact same identical thing happening when another human being speaks to you out loud. Literally identical, the exact same thing is happening. It's just your own thoughts in your own head.

Sound is not a thought. Are you pointing to the subjectivity of it? Like all the sounds are interpreted by me? It begins as a spoken word, then the mind translates it into meaning, then a personality structure, etc. That type of thing?

[hoodrow trillson]

I’ve read somewhere where they succinctly described what you are speaking of (you, us, life, the “world”) as it being a “world full of phantoms.”

I wish I could remember or find out where I read that.  

[BlueOak]

He can't see he's deciding on what image means, the relationships between the things, the concept of real, other people. He's deciding on the meaning of the words, and how they frame reality. So even his frame of reality is completely subjective, or the fact reality has any frame at all.

But we can't convince him otherwise either, because he's correct he's the only person in his reality or mind. There are just several billion interconnected or possible realities on earth. If he wants to he can experience them, if he doesn't he won't.

Why create a reality that has nothing in it at all, that's why you built all of this, because the opposite isn't pleasant, or useful or educational whatever. Humans can literally recreate how they represent reality to themselves in any way they like. Its a fun mystery to unravel it all, but that also is just a process you've created to experience.

Edited December 26, 2023 by BlueOak

[OldManCorcoran]

4 hours ago, Osaid said:

Sound is not a thought. Are you pointing to the subjectivity of it? Like all the sounds are interpreted by me? It begins as a spoken word, then the mind translates it into meaning, then a personality structure, etc. That type of thing?

No I'm saying the spoken word coming from a human's mouth is just your own thoughts in your own mind, the same as when you sit alone in a room and talk to yourself in your head. The same exact thing is happening. Literally zero difference.

The visual of a human face is a distraction, people think the words are sounds coming from the human face. But the human face isn't a sentient person it's just like a cartoon character on your TV. They aren't sentient beings it's just moving pictures. The "sounds" coming from their mouth is just you alone having thoughts in your own mind, and imagining the visual image of a person speaking them while you have these thoughts. The "sound" isn't in actuality connected to the images, there's no relation between them.

You can imagine someone you know's voice coming from a brick wall if you wanted. Obviously the brick wall isn't speaking and you would know that the voice you're imagining is your own thoughts in your own head. When the actual person speaks to you for real it's just that. Their voice is still your own thoughts in your own mind and not coming from the person. The person is just a dead picture like the brick wall.

Not using riddles or double meanings or being metaphorical or symbolic etc. I'm trying to speak totally plainly. If you're thinking like "oh by no difference it's because nothing has distinctions" etc then you're reading too deep. I mean it as plain as possible.

Edited December 26, 2023 by OldManCorcoran

[Osaid]

2 minutes ago, OldManCorcoran said:

Not using riddles or double meanings or being metaphorical or symbolic etc. I'm trying to speak totally plainly.

Are you sure you aren't defining "your mind" differently?

Someone speaking creates sound waves. A loud noise/voice startles you as it alerts your nervous system. You cannot imagine a loud noise/voice to startle you through thought. Experientially, sound is a somewhat different phenomenon than what you hear in thought.

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 The "sound" isn't in actuality connected to the images, there's no relation between them.

Right, so you're creating meaning out of sound. Is that it?

7 minutes ago, OldManCorcoran said:

No I'm saying the spoken word coming from a human's mouth is just your own thoughts in your own mind, the same as when you sit alone in a room and talk to yourself in your head. The same exact thing is happening. Literally zero difference.

I would say the difference is that you are thinking rather than hearing. It's not a thought, it is sound. You can imagine sounds, but that is imaginary or thought-based and it behaves a bit differently experientially.

Are you pointing to how your own sense organs have to interpret the sound waves first? That type of subjectivity?

[Soul Flight]

Another “shift in perspective” a la Plato’s allegory of the cave is to say we have everything reversed. We are confused. We think thoughts and emotions originate from inside us, but they actually exist outside of our body in the external world. And what we perceive as the external world, is actually a projection of our internal world.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Soul Flight

[josemar]

@OldManCorcoran

"Your thoughts in your head"

How are thoughts appearing, where are yhey coming from, what are they made of? In what sense are they 'yours'?

Thoughts appearing in your head is the materialistic paradigm, where the brain generates thoughts. Is this actually true?

Are other people that have no sentience any different to you? Do you have sentience? Or is your sentience just 'a thought in your head'?

Who are you, this entity that 'has thoughts', and 'is sentient'?

[OldManCorcoran]

4 hours ago, Osaid said:

Are you sure you aren't defining "your mind" differently?

Someone speaking creates sound waves. A loud noise/voice startles you as it alerts your nervous system. You cannot imagine a loud noise/voice to startle you through thought. Experientially, sound is a somewhat different phenomenon than what you hear in thought.

Right, so you're creating meaning out of sound. Is that it?

I would say the difference is that you are thinking rather than hearing. It's not a thought, it is sound. You can imagine sounds, but that is imaginary or thought-based and it behaves a bit differently experientially.

Are you pointing to how your own sense organs have to interpret the sound waves first? That type of subjectivity?

Yes I'm sure I don't mean that. I mean forget sense organs and nervous systems etc they're make-believe. None of it is real. Someone speaking to you and your own thoughts in your own mind are just the same thing.

There's no difference between you dreaming and a dream character talking to you (the character's words are just your own thoughts, the character isn't real) and a real person talking to you in the waking world. It's just your own thoughts and the image of a person speaking.

[Devin]

2 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

Yes I'm sure I don't mean that. I mean forget sense organs and nervous systems etc they're make-believe. None of it is real. Someone speaking to you and your own thoughts in your own mind are just the same thing.

There's no difference between you dreaming and a dream character talking to you (the character's words are just your own thoughts, the character isn't real) and a real person talking to you in the waking world. It's just your own thoughts and the image of a person speaking.

So do you think you can make someone else talk the way you make yourself talk? If they're both from the same mind you would be able to.