Let me scare you real quick

[OldManCorcoran]

When you're speaking to someone, the words they are saying are just your own thoughts. There's not a person actually saying the words, the words are just your thoughts and the person speaking them is just an image which accompanies the thoughts. The two aren't actually connected in any way at all, the thoughts are happening and it just so happens the image of a human face with a moving mouth is appearing in conjunction.

You have thoughts in your head right now. Just imagine a talking face image accompanied them. Speaking to a person is just that. It's just your own thoughts accompanied by a hallucinated visual of a face. The words aren't actually coming from the face the words are thoughts appearing in your mind exactly and precisely the same as whatever thoughts you have now when you close your eyes.

This is literal, not metaphors or riddles.

[Devin]

'Thoughts' is a concept.

[BlueOak]

The words are spoken, and they are your own thoughts. The image is there, and it is only in your head. They are directly connected, and only in you. 

They exist, directly connected, but they are still you. It's like a tunnel or connection of neurons inside a global consciousness. One more example of the micro - macro representation of life. You are also that global or infinite consciousness.

Take a spiritual journey into another's memories. See-through their eyes. This will help bridge a missing gap here by direct experience. How? Set the intent, you are everything remember Including whatever image you are looking at or words being spoken. Easiest done while you sleep, because you drop or lessen individual identity naturally. and with a family member who no longer exists here but was fond of you, as you'll probably get easier access (that last bit is just my assumption). I've seen people do it for a collective or group, me i've only ever done it for the individual pieces of my own psyche, or with a close long dead family member giving me access.
 

Also make sure you are in a good, calm space before you do this, fair warning. Though I doubt it'll be something you can do outside of a loving state (selfless state), again that is my assumption, but to let go of the self, I've found you need to be selfless. Another good example that just came to mind, is those who can meditate and experience the state of being something else, like a creature of some kind, I hear a butterfly is common but i've not tried it. All this could just be called another state of mind, a way to represent another perspective entirely without going anywhere, and I just represent this in a flashy dramatic way to get my own attention.

Edited December 24, 2023 by BlueOak

[Osaid]

Why is that scary though? You think you've lost something? Did you lose control? Did you lose other people? But if you think that, it's just more thinking. The one who perceives the loss of something imaginary must also be imaginary. Throw the entire medium away.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Osaid

[OldManCorcoran]

3 hours ago, Osaid said:

Why is that scary though? You think you've lost something? Did you lose control? Did you lose other people? But if you think that, it's just more thinking. The one who perceives the loss of something imaginary must also be imaginary. Throw the entire medium away.

I guess it's not. You're just an image in my head bruh... I wouldn't talk to a picture of a cartoon character and think I'm actually talking to them.

Because the image of your face and mouth moving happens in conjunction with the thoughts I have, I am meant to believe the thoughts I have are actually coming from the image of a human face and mouth? The human face and mouth aren't even really there let alone a sentient being behind it.

Maybe there's also the image of my face and mouth moving in conjunction with some of the thoughts I'm having. Maybe that's what you see. AKA I see (because the image of you and image of me are just appearing in my head).

[OldManCorcoran]

5 hours ago, BlueOak said:

The words are spoken, and they are your own thoughts. The image is there, and it is only in your head. They are directly connected, and only in you. 

They exist, directly connected, but they are still you. It's like a tunnel or connection of neurons inside a global consciousness. One more example of the micro - macro representation of life. You are also that global or infinite consciousness.

Take a spiritual journey into another's memories. See-through their eyes. This will help bridge a missing gap here by direct experience. How? Set the intent, you are everything remember Including whatever image you are looking at or words being spoken. Easiest done while you sleep, because you drop or lessen individual identity naturally. and with a family member who no longer exists here but was fond of you, as you'll probably get easier access (that last bit is just my assumption). I've seen people do it for a collective or group, me i've only ever done it for the individual pieces of my own psyche, or with a close long dead family member giving me access.
 

Also make sure you are in a good, calm space before you do this, fair warning. Though I doubt it'll be something you can do outside of a loving state (selfless state), again that is my assumption, but to let go of the self, I've found you need to be selfless. Another good example that just came to mind, is those who can meditate and experience the state of being something else, like a creature of some kind, I hear a butterfly is common but i've not tried it. All this could just be called another state of mind, a way to represent another perspective entirely without going anywhere, and I just represent this in a flashy dramatic way to get my own attention.

You're not even real lmao. When you look at me, you're just seeing the image of me happening in conjunction with your own thoughts. Those thoughts are my thoughts. There's not any sentient being behind the eyes of the image, the images of me or you are just appearing in your head. Nobody is actually there. You're just having thoughts and in conjunction there might appear the image of a human being.

When you see me talking, it's just me seeing my human face and mouth move in tandem with my own thoughts. Just lol.

[OldManCorcoran]

7 hours ago, Devin said:

'Thoughts' is a concept.

My human face and mouth you'd be looking at if you saw me talking right now is the back wall, there's no sentient being behind these eyes. It's just a cardboard cutout. And my words are just your own thoughts, they're not this human's thoughts, there's no sentient being in these images. It's just your own thoughts lmao.

[An young being]

7 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

.You have thoughts in your head right now. Just imagine a talking face image accompanied them. Speaking to a person is just that. It's just your own thoughts accompanied by a hallucinated visual of a face. The words aren't actually coming from the face the words are thoughts appearing in your mind exactly and precisely the same as whatever thoughts you have now when you close your eyes.

This is literal, not metaphors or riddles.

These are just simple beliefs, reality is much more complex than that. It's true that everything you see, hear and speak are formed within you, and by direct experience or some contemplation you are able to realise this, but it simply means that whatever you see is not the direct experience of what you see, but a projected version of it. There could be an external world or there needn't be any, both holds equal probability of being true. It's wise to keep both the options open while you continue contemplating.

[OldManCorcoran]

2 hours ago, An young being said:

These are just simple beliefs, reality is much more complex than that. It's true that everything you see, hear and speak are formed within you, and by direct experience or some contemplation you are able to realise this, but it simply means that whatever you see is not the direct experience of what you see, but a projected version of it. There could be an external world or there needn't be any, both holds equal probability of being true. It's wise to keep both the options open while you continue contemplating.

There straight up can't be such a thing as an external world. Because any representation of distance is mental (e.g. things looking to be far away or close). Without mental activity how exactly could anything be distant from you in the way we picture it at all?

[Devin]

2 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

 right now is the back wall, there's no sentient being behind these eyes. It's just a cardboard cutout.

And my words are just your own thoughts, they're not this human's thoughts,

there's no sentient being in these images. It's just your own thoughts lmao.

There is no "thoughts".

[tuku747]

Take a look at this:



You may see two persons, but this is the illusion. There is actually only One vase in the picture.

You see, in this way, God is impersonal; beyond person-hood; a formless awareness.

It isn't only about "I"... relieve yourself of this pressure so you may expand past the boundaries of what you think you are.

Edited December 25, 2023 by tuku747

[Princess Arabia]

@OldManCorcoranwould love to hear your thoughts (even though they are mine, lol) on the blind, the deaf and the dumb. They are still communicating and functioning in society with a little help, of course, as in the blind, with walking sticks and the deaf and dumb, sign language. I'm more referring to people who were born this way. 

How is this connected to what you're saying in the OP. I've always wondered why people are born with some of the senses missing. Seems like what you're saying is so, and that we aren't really using our senses, it only appears that way.

 

 

[Soul Flight]

This is another "shift in perspective." There are a lot of these. Just different ways to view reality. It is all Plato's allegory of the cave. Can we really perceive reality? Another way to rephrase the OP's observation is to say we all have split personalities or multiple personalities inside our head or internally. But you can view this same phenomenon another way and say everyone I meet is a manifestation of one of my personalities. I am god and it is all god. The external world is a projection of my internal world. Everyone is me.

Or maybe you went insane long ago and your body is currently in a straightjacket and you are in a dream and you are having a psychotic episode. Or maybe you are a brain in a vat like Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky. Maybe you are re-watching your life as a simulation looking at old memories.

Merry Christmas everyone!

[Osaid]

5 minutes ago, Soul Flight said:

There are a lot of these.

Infinite amount. Many awakenings to chase after forever. Because there is an infinite amount of things that you can imagine and then unimagine, and then react in shock: "Oh my god, this thing I imagined doesn't exist! How profound!"

[strangelooper]

Even if this is true, you can't face reality as if it were true because you'll end up in a loony bin. There's no escaping the illusion, you still have to pretend there are other people.

Edited December 25, 2023 by strangelooper

[BlueOak]

7 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

You're not even real lmao. When you look at me, you're just seeing the image of me happening in conjunction with your own thoughts. Those thoughts are my thoughts. There's not any sentient being behind the eyes of the image, the images of me or you are just appearing in your head. Nobody is actually there. You're just having thoughts and in conjunction there might appear the image of a human being.

When you see me talking, it's just me seeing my human face and mouth move in tandem with my own thoughts. Just lol.

The only constant is observation.

'Real' is a concept in the infinite consciousness. Image, head and eyes are something you've decided upon. Human is something you've decided upon. , There is nothing else deciding the word head/human/real or image are words to be used but you. We decide it is collectively because it helps structure reality to be something we can observe or experience in an ordered, useful, and hopefully pleasant way. Chaos is unpleasant. 

What I just said is just as real as whatever concept you've decided you prefer. What makes you think infinity is incapable of looking through another set of eyes? That's just one more experience you can have, like anything else. There are no set constraints but what we as a collective (the greater you) has decided. These guru's you hear about disappearing and reappearing or starting fires with their chi or whatever else, its just splashing paint on a page and watching it. I gave that example because its probably the most extreme concept or shaping of reality I've experienced, having an infinite-sized consciousness one night when I couldn't sleep was also up there, but its no different to the dog barking or you drawing a funny image.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

we are all fully and entirely schizos, measuring thought or anything is imaginary, you cannot measure anything, you're getting impression and feeling, but not even that.

what is happening "here" is beyond every mind.

 

Edited December 25, 2023 by AerisVahnEphelia

[Rafael Thundercat]

17 hours ago, OldManCorcoran said:

When you're speaking to someone, the words they are saying are just your own thoughts. There's not a person actually saying the words, the words are just your thoughts and the person speaking them is just an image which accompanies the thoughts. The two aren't actually connected in any way at all, the thoughts are happening and it just so happens the image of a human face with a moving mouth is appearing in conjunction.

You have thoughts in your head right now. Just imagine a talking face image accompanied them. Speaking to a person is just that. It's just your own thoughts accompanied by a hallucinated visual of a face. The words aren't actually coming from the face the words are thoughts appearing in your mind exactly and precisely the same as whatever thoughts you have now when you close your eyes.

This is literal, not metaphors or riddles.

Just enjoy the the illusion as it is bro, why spoil the shit with this disecation. 

If is all thougth, spin you finger witha needle, and dont worry about the needle, just a thougth, neither the blood, just a figment of red imaginary element, the pain you feel, thougth. 

 

[OldManCorcoran]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

@OldManCorcoranwould love to hear your thoughts (even though they are mine, lol) on the blind, the deaf and the dumb. They are still communicating and functioning in society with a little help, of course, as in the blind, with walking sticks and the deaf and dumb, sign language. I'm more referring to people who were born this way. 

How is this connected to what you're saying in the OP. I've always wondered why people are born with some of the senses missing. Seems like what you're saying is so, and that we aren't really using our senses, it only appears that way.

 

 

Whatever way you seem to be communicating with anyone else, is just your own thoughts in your own head and the "other person" is some sort of cardboard cutout mannequin, whatever way they are appearing to you (visual, audio, whatever).

There's no sentient being in that perception. There's no living sentient being behind my eyes. My face and moving mouth is a dead lifeless perception with nothing in it, appearing in tandem with your own thoughts.

Speaking to another person, it's just your own thoughts alone in your head, it just so happens to be accompanied by the sight of a face or whatever. The two aren't connected actually, there's nothing coming from the dead lifeless image, the communication is your own thoughts in your own head. And there isn't anyone else at all.

All people are is an image with absolutely no sentience whatsoever. Their words are just your own thoughts happening in your own head. Same as if you were sat alone thinking to yourself, there isn't any difference compared to another person talking. You are just focusing on the dead lifeless image of a human being but there's no sentience inside it.

[Hojo]

Did God created mannequins to move around and then he just goes inside of them and starts thinking about what is happening?