I am losing all my interests and passions and i am scared

[SeaMonster]

 

37 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

What is different about a 17 year old pursuing spirituality to a 17 year old pursuing music, or sports, or science?

That's actually a really good question.

I would say there is a qualitative difference.  Spirituality by its nature is a holistic pursuit; it involves the entire being, it involves all your activities; you can pursue music, sports or science and be great at it and still be a fucked up mess who self-destructs because other areas of your life are completely unintegrated or plain undeveloped.  You can't be "great at spirituality" and self-destruct; that's a contradiction in terms.

The problem with a 17 year old pursuing spirituality is that too much of the psyche is still undeveloped; the person is more inexperienced, less mature, less likely to be fully honest with himself, less emotionally developed, still too concerned with fitting into a peer group and even on a practical level too dependent on the family to fully take advantage of the integration opportunities awakening can provide. 

There is more temptation to slide into spiritual bypassing.

You have to be very mature not to encounter a lot of problems in the process.

Edited December 21, 2023 by SeaMonster

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

What would you call whatever Osho or Sadhguru do then? There is clearly a lot to gain from whatever it is they are doing.

I call it materialistic bullshit.  It's great and all.  I mean, if a 5"10 blond walked into my house naked am I going to turn her away? No.   But I grasp the difference.   If they do as well - all for them.  I just don't know where the incentive comes from.   

[Nilsi]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I call it materialistic bullshit.  It's great and all.  I mean, if a 5"10 blond walked into my house naked am I going to turn her away? No.   But I grasp the difference.   If they do as well - all for them.  I just don't know where the incentive comes from.   

I know that should I tell a random person on the street that I’m into spirituality, their mind would immediately go to something like Sadhguru or the Dalai Llama.

What you are talking about is basically just being hyper-aware of your mind’s workings.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Nilsi

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I know that should I tell a random person on the street that I’m into spirituality, their mind would immediately go to something like Sadhguru or the Dalai Llama.

What you are talking about is basically just being hyper-aware of your mind’s workings.

Isnt putting your awareness on awareness true spirituality?  Sadguru isn't true spirituality. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Inliytened1

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

This doesn't address the point at all.  The point was someone actively seeking spirituality.  What could their motives be at 17?  Their mind is so underdeveloped that the ego is just lost in the euphoria that spirituality shows you God.  It is purely egoic.    As in oh cool u could maybe either be into this or maybe I'll be into swimming. 

Let's take what's known first: Yes people's egos and minds are underdeveloped early on. The Ego and mind is also spiritual. The ego is not an enemy, its a necessity, and it's a development that goes on from day 1, which is part of awakening.

Everything is spiritual. Early motives are decided before incarnation. From the perspective of the absolute, there is no break between this representation of the absolute being 5 or 70, its a cycle, that is part of a pattern. That pattern, although it seems flawed or seemingly off the rails half the time, is seeking realization(s) from the moment it's observing physical form.

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

The difference is in within.   It can't be something egoic.  It has to be a deep thirst - a deep.thirst - one you can only obtain over decades -for Truth.   The Buddha wasn't into it for a hobby.  In my case it was literally stumbled upon- which can happen to the 17 year old.   But if he hasn't matured enough it will obliterate him.  As it did here.

You put a lot of things in the way of achieving enlightenment. Can I suggest you go easier on yourself.

[Nilsi]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Isnt putting your awareness on awareness true spirituality?  Sadguru isnr true spirituality. 

If you want to reclaim the word spirituality for what you’re talking about, you run into the problem of not being able to name what Sadhguru is doing. „Materialistic bullshit“ is probably a bit too vague.

[Yimpa]

15 hours ago, Asia P said:

@Yimpa ok, but what do you mean?

You get to define what family is and what normal is.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Let's take what's known first: Yes people's egos and minds are underdeveloped early on. The Ego and mind is also spiritual. The ego is not an enemy, its a necessity, and it's a development that goes on from day 1, which is part of awakening.

Everything is spiritual. Early motives are decided before incarnation. From the perspective of the absolute, there is no break between this representation of the absolute being 5 or 70, its a cycle, that is part of a pattern. That pattern, although it seems flawed or seemingly off the rails half the time, is seeking realization(s) from the moment it's observing physical form.

 

This is a deep generalization and not addressing fhe "kid" at hand.  But to be fair - we are both making generalizations.  Again we don't know this kid  - or where he was last night.   He could genuinely be searching for Truth.  Or he genuinely could be in just another egoic phase.  Either way - you see the aftermath.  It ain't pretty for someone so young.  Someone 50 or older will handle the same thing far differently simply from the amount of life experience. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

If you want to reclaim the word spirituality for what you’re talking about, you run into the problem of not being able to name what Sadhguru is doing. „Materialistic bullshit“ is probably a bit too vague.

Well, we all run into that problem. Including Sadhguru.   But I can assure you this much- and you can take it for what it's worth.   He doesn't exist outside of your consciousness.   Nor does Leo, or any spiritual teacher.  So therefore, how great can he be, but what you have created within this dream.

[BlueOak]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is a deep generalization and not addressing fhe "kid" at hand.  But to be fair - we are both making generalizations.  Again we don't know this kid  - or where he was last night.   He could genuinely be searching for Truth.  Or he genuinely could be in just another egoic phase.  Either way - you see the aftermath.  It ain't pretty for someone so young.  Someone 50 or older will handle the same thing far differently simply from the amount of life experience. 

You are right. 

Him accelerating too quickly is a natural result of inquisitive youth, and the pace a young mind will develop. You telling him to slow down is a natural result of lived experience, and the pace our mature minds develop. I should not have tried to interfere with that natural dynamic.

I have a bias to enjoying accelerating development too fast at times, as I find it beneficial to have an intense experience and then a period of rest. Also between incarnations, spiritual experiences, jobs, relationships, you name it.

Edited December 21, 2023 by BlueOak

[Nilsi]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well, we all run into that problem. Including Sadhguru.   But I can assure you this much- and you can take it for what it's worth.   He doesn't exist outside of your consciousness.   Nor does Leo, or any spiritual teacher.  So therefore, how great can he be, but what you have created within this dream.

I couldn’t care less about Sadhguru. 

This was an argument about linguistics, not about my „spiritual“ beliefs.

I prefer to think of language as a human tool, rather than attributing some kind of transcendent meaning to words outside of any cultural context.

[Danioover9000]

@Asia P

On 2023-12-20 at 8:44 PM, Asia P said:

Hi, I am 17, almost 18 years old, and i am slowly losing all my passions, hobbies, and interests since i had my first awakening. Now i am starting to be a little scared because i am becoming apathic also with friends, family, relationships and people in general. I'm also not much able to do everyday things, like studying, go to the supermarket, getting dressed. The only things that i think that i whould do with pleasure are meditation, sleeping, eating and cleaning myself. (Honestly, i am also intrested into experiencing for the first time psychedelics, but they are not so easy to get for me) I am also quite intollerant with other people, i prefere to be alone rather than with friends, family etc.

Is this phisiological/normal, during a spiritual path? Do someone of you have the same situation?

   Straight to a practical advice, go and study NLP techniques, and work on your visualization, especially when to associate or disassociate, AKA creating mental 'distance' between your ideal self, or ideal goals/outcomes you can imagine and picture, and picture a ruler that makes that ideal outcome weeks, months, years and maybe decade away from where you are in that timeline. Also continue to study principles and general guidelines, and to always contextualize them to your particular life. Put aside the spiritual stuff and the no-self stuff, just learn to visualize better, and NLP techniques to generate motivation in you. GL.

   In very short yes it's psychologically normal to process negative feelings/thinking during a spiritual path, but do not let that destroy your motivation for a better life.

[Ash55]

Hi @Asia P i hope you are doing good today
since i got my first awakening at age 14-15 i can relate with that, it changed me radically, my family are so different from me now tho i love them i live away from them and i can't really live with them, i changed my whole path and really hated school i went to choosing art so i too lost many of my old interest my whole world views shifted too, took me a lots of time almost 10 years to rediscover my self and understand what have happened to me, you still need a degree of discipline in your life and you might have really hard time rediscovering your true self and true passions
 

On 12/20/2023 at 10:44 PM, Asia P said:

i prefer to be alone rather than with friends, family etc.

i struggled with the same thing
also your family might be traditionally minded too it might be really difficult for you to accept your true self and move on from what you life was like

well i wanna add 2 most important thing i have learned is to learn to trust my self and follow my heart or my bliss

whispering in obi one voice "may the force be with you", "feel the force"

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ash55
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[Yimpa]

13 minutes ago, Ash55 said:

also your family might be traditionally minded too it might be really difficult for you to accept your true self and move on from what you life was like

And moving on does not mean you have to leave family. Instead, you can create a new one from scratch. And that becomes your new reality of what family is.

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Yimpa

[cetus]

16 hours ago, matoriii said:

@cetus No . You will never be ready with that logic and you will just procrastinate . Do it you have time and at the end of the day this isnt like drawing or some hobbie this is really learning how life works and about yourself . If you can conquer yourself , you can conquer the world - Dostoyevsky .

Than you would also disagree with what Leo said here:

"You must be careful not to turn spirituality into a bypass or form of escape from managing your survival and life.

If you struggle to get dressed, what good is your spirituality?

Spirituality is good, but at your age you need to put a lot of time and energy into just mastering survival. Build a decent life for yourself. Don't just sit around hoping that your life will get great all by itself. It won't. You have to put work into it.

Be careful about neglecting core areas of your life like family, relationships, career, building skills, sex, friendship, finances, diet, fitness, health, etc. You have to invest energy into all these in addition to whatever spiritual work you do.

It's very hard to be happy if you neglect all those areas and only do spirituality. You can get yourself trapped that way."

Edited yesterday at 06:38 AM by Leo Gura

[Asia P]

@Leo Gura I think that this happened to me because I'm already in a stable relationship, and I'm almost financially stable, it happened everything so fast...I really believe that your advice is good, and I must remember this during all my life time, but you know, I haven't chosen awakening, and I'm neither choosing this boredom that pervaded me. I cannot do anything else than surviving this moment. By the way your message is making me think a lot about this. Thanks

[Asia P]

On 21/12/2023 at 1:26 PM, inFlow said:

It's normal, I've been there. My tip would be that you have to do hatha yoga with deep breathing. You need to help your body to move energies trough nadi channels. These "stuck" energies always direct what you do and what you don't. If they are stuck in a weird way that makes you live differently. If everything is OK and the prana flows freely through your body no problems would occur. But this takes some time and you will have to go through hard times. There is no way around it. The ego purification process if very difficult to go through. I've been there, believe me. Also there is a concept of "The Dark Night of the Soul" read about it on google.

For you to have a purpose you need a EGO, and your Ego started to "melt", so you no longer feel any purpose. I remember when I was at a pool table playing 8-ball with my friends I didn't want to play, because it felt pointless. And then I realized that in order to play you need the "Need" to win, and the need comes from somebody that wants it, but if there is no ego, there is nobody that "wants to win". To have that you need a big Ego. You are dissolving it little by little and there no longer is a point for doing anything because there is nobody that "does it" If you get my point here. Don't be afraid of it, you will feel weird, but I would recommend that you bite the bullet and accept yourself for who you are, even when others see you as "weird".

And yeah do what Leo wrote. Master your survival, don't ignore friends and family. If friends are stupid, make new ones. You might feel like you want to be alone now, but believe me being alone for a very long time can destroy your life for your ego (the body, and your psyche). You are the "Soul/Consciousness/Spirit" living through this body (the Ego), but this body has it's psychological needs, don't ignore them. Happy Ego = Happy Soul. I've made this mistake of going all in on solitude, but once you go through shit and end up in the other side you come back to society a better human, and you will want to involve yourself in society, being the Light.

my god, I do get your point clearly, you've explained in detail what I'm feeling and I can't explain. I'll read about hatha yoga. From my heart thanks you 

[Asia P]

@Squeekytoy can you please explain what you mean specifically? I'm curious about this

[Asia P]

@Squeekytoy  oops, I missed to quote your message, btw is about the first one, this:

"Everyone treating this like something is going wrong and needs correcting.

It just depends on what you want. If you want to dream, dream. If you want to wake up, wake up."

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