What we know and what we don’t know

[Someone here]

We are just ignorant motherfuckers. Everyone here don't get that they don't fucking know. You don't know who the fuck you are!

 this place is not for mental masturbation and parroting Leo..but I agree that "life is Consciousness". Ok fine explain what you say... What to make of this one line?..

Life is not anything other than what it is. 

It's actually a good pointer to disregard words.. Cuz that leave you knowing absolutely fucking nothing. But language covers this up.  

And I cringe when someone says reality is an illusion. I obviously don't know what the hell reality is. But I definitely know that it is not an illusion. 

Furthermore it's just a concept in the mind  . "oh life is a dream and illusion bla bla". But all that is actually delusion in your mind. It's not actually experienced. Better to say I don't fucking know. 

Here's the thing.. Knowing is actually being... Let me explain.... 

Reading ten thousand books on astronomy explaining what the sun is won't give you a better idea about it than to simply look at the sun.. I mean the mysterious appeance. It's actually gonna get a little bit more mystical. 

We can know stuff on the relative pragmatic level.. But the deeper we go.. It is actually true that you don't know anything. I'm just saying it as it fucking is. 

Imo.. To know something is to experience it. Since all you have is experience. But notice your experience is unknown. You don't actually know what's up. But language covers this up. By giving lables to stuff. 

Whatever the substance of reality is.. Is exactly this present moment. This is the substance right now right here. Yet...... What is it? You know it in the sense that you know that it's happening and you are familiar with it. But it is unknown in every other sense. 

[Someone here]

I know I'm being a broken record with this whole "not knowing " stuff . But I feel I'm the only one here who recognises that nobody knows anything. 

[Yimpa]

39 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I feel I'm the only one here who recognises that nobody knows anything. 

Did you forget about Peter Fucking Ralston?

He refuses to use the middle name “Loves”.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Yimpa

[Keryo Koffa]

You seem far more practical to me than anyone else on the forum. I enjoy you keeping us spiritual goners in check when we fall into what is essentially a k-hole, ranting about our solipsist paranoia of constructing everyone and everything and spouting equations without grounding 

I myself am going through a lot of input and integrating tons of psychedelic states and insights.

Truly, words point to something, but a pointer needs to be experienced to be understood the context of and one's interpretation of what it means without the experience of what it is can purely be a delusion. Like trying to grasp what the color blue is without ever having seen it. It is only ever itself.

Rational impersonal learning is messy, flawed, conceptual, impractical, inexperienced and perspectival. A thing is only what you know it to be and all feelings are an interpretation on top of reality based on some observed correlating tendencies.

When people talk about life being a dream, they intuit that the ego they built up their entire life is arbitrary and an illusion, and they abstract that notion to the rest of reality. In a way, it is true. We're only ever making sense of qualia, but that's not what it feels like. Life is full of love, hate, meaning, fear, bliss, joy, sadness, and is infinitely personal. Dream and Reality dissolve and become one, it is just as imaginary as it is real, but it exists for sure.

[VeganAwake]

The dream story or illusion refers to the way the sense of self lives in a world of meaning, purpose and value. Everything is important and matters!

The Matrix or conditioned society would be another way of saying it

❤️ 

[Merkabah Star]

@Someone here reality is an illusion. Don’t shoot the messenger, yeah. 👀

[Princess Arabia]

Life is a mystery unto itself. That's why we're here, to explore, not to know.

Saying we don't know anything is hogwash because I do know how to make rice and peas and curry chicken. God loves it. He told me so.

[Someone here]

@VeganAwake hey bro ..sorry I've been ignoring your comments on my posts recently because you seem to be still stuck in the no self stuff but no worries..

I'm curious as to why you only post on the spirituality section..why don't you post on the dating section..you know..sharing what kind of porn you watch? (jk).

[Someone here]

58 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

@Someone here reality is an illusion. Don’t shoot the messenger, yeah. 👀

I don't understand what that means  .

39 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Life is a mystery unto itself. That's why we're here, to explore, not to know.

Saying we don't know anything is hogwash because I do know how to make rice and peas and curry chicken. God loves it. He told me so.

We can know stuff on the relative pragmatic level..

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don't understand what that means  .

We can know stuff on the relative pragmatic level..

We can also know things on a metaphysical level too. We can know a lot of things. Just because you're confused and don't know much, there are a lot of people who do know. I don't think anyone person can know it all but we can definitely get to know the Universe. It's probably wise to have an open mind about our views but saying we know nothing is just trying to be safe to not be wrong. So best to stay safe. To me that's a cop out. 

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

We can also know things on a metaphysical level too. We can know a lot of things. Just because you're confused and don't know much, there are a lot of people who do know. I don't think anyone person can know it all but we can definitely get to know the Universe. It's probably wise to have an open mind about our views but saying we know nothing is just trying to be safe to not be wrong. So best to stay safe. To me that's a cop out. 

I agree partially. 

Actually my own view is much more open minded. 

Another way to look at this statement (we know nothing)is to see it as a recognition of the inherent limits of human knowledge. We can never really know anything for sure..right ?and even our most firmly held beliefs could be wrong. Of course..this doesn’t mean we should give up trying to learn and understand the world around us..but it reminds us that we should always be open to new information and perspectives.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I agree partially. 

Actually my own view is much more open minded. 

Another way to look at this statement (we know nothing)is to see it as a recognition of the inherent limits of human knowledge. We can never really know anything for sure..right ?and even our most firmly held beliefs could be wrong. Of course..this doesn’t mean we should give up trying to learn and understand the world around us..but it reminds us that we should always be open to new information and perspectives.

That's a more reasonable way to look at it. 

[An young being]

Beliefs can turn someone's life brighter while it can encourage somebody else to get rid of living. While there is nothing wrong to have beliefs based on our experiences and knowledge, we must choose our beliefs in such a way that has a positive effect on our experiences rather than causing us more suffering, especially when both the choices hold equally true.

When it comes to curious questions about life, it's always better to use rational approach to come to conclusions rather than forming beliefs based on our own biases.

[Javfly33]

20 hours ago, Someone here said:

We are just ignorant motherfuckers. Everyone here don't get that they don't fucking know. You don't know who the fuck you are!

i´m nothing 🙏

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

i´m nothing 🙏

Whose the "I" you're referring to and what is this "nothing". Hope you realize you're still saying you're something.

[Javfly33]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Whose the "I" you're referring to and what is this "nothing". Hope you realize you're still saying you're something.

you are right 💙👌

[VeganAwake]

On 12/21/2023 at 2:19 AM, Someone here said:

@VeganAwake hey bro ..sorry I've been ignoring your comments on my posts recently because you seem to be still stuck in the no self stuff but no worries..

I'm curious as to why you only post on the spirituality section..why don't you post on the dating section..you know..sharing what kind of porn you watch? (jk).

That's okay bro, no need to apologize, you have some different interesting topics I like to comment on here and there often.

What I'm saying is there isn't a someone there or here in which could get stuck. Thoughts or thinking can become fixated on certain topics and whatnot, but there isn't a you inside the body actually doing it, it just happens! 

I have the forum spirituality section as a short cut on my cell phone and that's also probably why I don't post/comment anywhere else 😅 

I might check out some of these other forum topics 🤙thx for the mention.

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

Well, who knows. The question is whether a deep understanding of what reality is is possible, or it is impossible and our only spiritual ambition is to reach a state of enlightenment where we see divinity in everything, where we realize the deepest essence of reality. possible without understanding anything of its structure.

For me, option two is fine, but perhaps we can also understand very deeply how and why this experience is what it is, what the dynamics of existence are. reincarnations, etc. Just because you and I haven't reached that level of understanding doesn't mean it's impossible. In fact, I believe it is possible because what is obvious is that this is the unlimited, and being unlimited, the possible understanding must also be unlimited, or at least not limited to the flat superficial human experience limited by the ego 

Edited December 23, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Carl-Richard]

On 20.12.2023 at 9:05 PM, Someone here said:

But I feel I'm the only one here who recognises that nobody knows anything. 

That shows how you little you know 😂