The ice has broken. Awakening.

[UnbornTao]

Cute. Not enlightenment though. Don't get too high on your BS. Set that aside and contemplate.

Edited December 23, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Cute. Not enlightenment though.

Don't get too high on your BS. Set that aside and contemplate.

😂 You're being quite "direct" today, I see?

[UnbornTao]

On 22/12/2023 at 0:51 AM, Carl-Richard said:

😂 You're being quite "direct" today, I see?

Zen stick.

Someone has to.  

Seriously though, sounds to me like fantasising.

Edited December 23, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Zen stick. Someone has to.

 

Seriously though, sounds to me like fantasising.

I think you have a Zen stick up your Zen ass 😆

[UnbornTao]

On 22/12/2023 at 1:07 AM, Carl-Richard said:

I think you have a Zen stick up your Zen ass 😆

If you lie I'm gonna call you out on that, especially with this enlightenment business.

Edited December 23, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Galyna]

9 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

If you lie im gonna call you out on that.

especially with this enlightenment stuff.

I never intended to lie. I just wanted my readers to get in touch with that feeling when major shift happens in your perception. I don’t claim anything. Please call me out, be my guest. I was writing about awakening, not enlightenment. 

[UnbornTao]

On 22/12/2023 at 1:29 AM, Galyna said:

I never intended to lie. I just wanted my readers to get in touch with that feeling when major shift happens in your perception. I don’t claim anything. Please call me out, be my guest. I was writing about awakening, not enlightenment. 

sounds like a cosmology you've got going on. Pretending is the lie, does more harm than good. I'd throw it away and tackle things honestly.

Edited December 23, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Galyna]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I'd throw it away and tackle things honestly.

You can not throw away your feelings. They are valid and have all the rights to be. Your identity is in fact a bunch of tangled concepts that always contradict with each other, but feelings are valid. 

[UnbornTao]

On 22/12/2023 at 1:51 AM, Galyna said:

You can not throw away your feelings. They are valid and have all the rights to be. Your identity is in fact a bunch of tangled concepts that always contradict with each other, but feelings are valid. 

Then this is about feelings, not awakening. By throwing out I mean letting go of your belief system.

If feeling good by adopting positive beliefs is what you want, be clear that may be what you're doing. To pursue the absolute forget what you came up with and has been told, it is less than worthless. Rather, question afresh each time.

Edited December 23, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Galyna]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

to pursue the absolute forget about what you came up with and question afresh each time.

Very interesting suggestion, thank you. Can you please elaborate on what do you mean when you say “absolute”. Just for clarification since everyone puts his own abstract definition behind words and meaning. 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Galyna

[Galyna]

13 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Then this is about feelings, not awakening.

Please read my earlier posts on forum, because you’ve just invalidated my whole entire experience by saying I was lying etc….

[UnbornTao]

6 minutes ago, Galyna said:

Very interesting suggestion, thank you. Can you please elaborate on what do you mean when you say “absolute”. Just for clarification since everyone puts his own abstract definition behind words and meaning. 

I can but since we really don't know what we're talking about, it's not very useful. Absolute is whatever's absolutely true now. How's that?

Since it is absolute, mind is not up to the task -- neither are perception nor experience. Doesn't matter what's said about it but that you grasp it for yourself.

[Galyna]

6 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Absolute is whatever's absolutely true now.

Whatever lies in”your”direct experience, no more, no less. If you are not conscious of something, it literally doesn’t exist. Also, I would suggest to avoid using “we” and talk primarily about yourself. It would benefit the readers better. 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Galyna

[UnbornTao]

On 22/12/2023 at 2:13 AM, Galyna said:

Please read my earlier posts on forum, because you’ve just invalidated my whole entire experience by saying I was lying etc….

By which I mean that what you talked about isn't awakening. I'm not saying what you experienced couldn't have been positive or powerful. You clarify for yourself what it was -- insight, shift in state, unusual feeling.

On 22/12/2023 at 2:17 AM, Galyna said:

Whatever lies in”your”direct experience, no more, no less. If you are not conscious of something, it literally doesn’t exist. 

You may be trying to intellectually arrive at a conclusion that fits into your belief system. If you're after enlightenment, inquire who and what you are. 

Edited December 23, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Galyna]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

If you're after enlightenment, forget everything you've heard about it and ask yourself who and what you are. 

By just asking these question won’t lead into enlightenment. I wish it would be that easy. It’s rather a gradual process. It is a hardcore work with your attention and awareness. I am not saying that you won’t have samadhi or satori, but all these states are just states that have nothing to do with the Realization. 

[Galyna]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

By which I mean that what you talked about isn't awakening

Also, explain what you mean under this term “awakening “. 
let’s not talk about enlightenment, I am asking about awakening. Because these two are different things. 

[SourceCodo]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Zen stick. Someone has to.

 

Seriously though, sounds to me like fantasising.

Your role playing is cute 🥰 

 

Alas, definitively not enlightenment. 
 

Consider setting aside some time to contemplate this. 

Edited December 22, 2023 by SourceCodo

[UnbornTao]

On 22/12/2023 at 2:48 AM, Galyna said:

By just asking these question won’t lead into enlightenment. I wish it would be that easy. It’s rather a gradual process. It is a hardcore work with your attention and awareness. I am not saying that you won’t have samadhi or satori, but all these states are just states that have nothing to do with the Realization. 

Nothing leads to it. I was referring to contemplation, being open that such a breakthrough can happen for you.

On 22/12/2023 at 2:49 AM, Galyna said:

Also, explain what you mean under this term “awakening “. 
let’s not talk about enlightenment, I am asking about awakening. Because these two are different things. 

Depends on how you define each term; I use them interchangeably to mean being absolutely conscious. Both terms could be used to differentiate degrees or "stability."

Not going to chat about this.

Edited December 23, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Galyna]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I use the terms interchangeably to mean becoming absolutely conscious.

There is a lot of confusion and yes, people don’t fully understand what they mean by juggling these two words. I disagree because they don’t mean the same. 
Good luck with your contemplation.  
P.S. “I” will never be able to grasp it. 

[Merkabah Star]

@Galyna

enough people got something positive out of your post, so just focus on that. 😀