Almost no one here seems to be awake, including me

[Javfly33]

On 20/12/2023 at 10:04 PM, Breakingthewall said:

 

sometimes I see that I am looking for the mystical opening to escape the pain that my human life has brought me. If works but they are fleeting awakenings that end. It's okay to have  awakenings to the divine achieved with chemistry, but the real work is to truly accept the human with all its shit and love it. equalize the human by completely removing the valuation, the differentiation that the ego makes, and thus making it divine, without evasion, reaching perfection, since this, whatever it is, is perfect, but if, for example, you are a convicted child rapist In a Russian prison, it is difficult to see perfection. But  the reality is that if you can't see perfection in that, you can't see it in anything. difficult, right?

Well, i must say my statetement was as a bit grandiose, maybe Heaven at will is a bit too much but at least a certain sense of calm and stability, i think is very much possible.

If you accepting "the human shit" brings that sort of stability IS fine, but for me It never did. When i try to Accept (mentally) anything I'm just doing the same thing, entangling myself with the mind.

For example, this week i have quite a chaotic work days and was experiencing the classic anxious response of my mind/body. Yet there was a bit of "distancie" to it, my theory is: work on stablishing this distance or separation from It. The more you do It the more freedom is possible, and the possibilites of a power and control beyond mind is possible. (As a daily thing, not just as in a mystical peak)

9 hours ago, SeaMonster said:

Of course, liberation is the ability to choose to think or not, not to be a compulsive thinker.  

 

🙏💪

Of course. Liberation does not mean one becomes Dumb!

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

If you accepting "the human shit" brings that sort of stability IS fine, but for me It never did. When i try to Accept (mentally) anything I'm just doing the same thing, entangling myself with the mind.

On 20/12/2023 at 10:27 PM, Yimpa said:

 

On 20/12/2023 at 9:47 PM, Javfly33 said:

 

On 20/12/2023 at 5:06 PM, Yimpa said:

 

 

It happened to me that I had a relapse into the circular patterns of self-torture and I got lost in my mind, the solution was the same as always: meditation. For me it is essential, otherwise human shit becomes very real and there is no way out. If you meditate enough, it detaches itself from you and you realize its unreality. They are all imaginary projections, and at their base is the falsehood that almost all humans incorporate as the basis of our psyche.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Javfly33 There are multiple dimensions to this, you tackle the absolute, it's important and the end goal but it's like jumping into deep water to learn how to swim, washing ashore and trying again. You know, you can take a swimming course right, it takes a while and may be slower, but its far more managable and fun. There is a reason this life exists and your body signals you the way it does. We are here to experience and we have creative capacities. We can let go of our identity and be fine with any life, but is that really what you want? Do you want to stare at a wall of drying paint for the rest of existence because you found out how to make yourself comfortable doing it? We have control over our lives to infinite degrees, sometimes we are stuck, and then it's healthy and necessary to let go of desires and get through it, learn to enjoy it. But that's not our situation, in this interconnected global world with countless countries, jobs, people, hobbies, activities, we can let our body tell us where we're hitting diminishing returns and what we feel like doing now. You can always go into more depth, but your body will tell you exactly what you want, you need not always realize it in reality, but that directional pointer is there to become more whole. To integrate what interests you. People attach themselves to past pointers and keep doing the same thing their entire life, but we can reinvent ourselves every few seconds if we authentically pay attention to what we desire, and then move to the next when the honest desire disappates. There are mega trends to observe, domains we keep coming back to and love to explore. Its a feature of being exactly what you are, an individual, connected to the senses and emotions of the body that your consciousness is intimately attached to, in order to play this game. Your identity need not be it, but it is contextualized through it regardless. Beauty and love is inherent to all things, but also perspectival to any one thing, and the one thing you should take care of is authentically living your life, then you won't need to awaken anymore, unless you seek it out of curiosity. Be your best self, in spirit and body. Align yourself with your body but understand it holistically, its the source of meaning and enjoyment. If you awaken far enough, its no different from physically dying, to be god is to be nothing, but do you want that right now? What we really want is peace and happiness. We've been granted limited but vast control over our lives, live it in a way, where awakening will come naturally.

[Javfly33]

 

20 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Javfly33 Do you want to stare at a wall of drying paint for the rest of existence because you found out how to make yourself comfortable doing it?

@Keryo Koffa Not neccesarily all the time. But if you know how to stare at a wall of drying paint and be comfortable doing that, you can definetely do the rest of the external/material/social things much more effortlessly.

IMO The point is not to reject yourself from action or engaging with material things. But to do it from a place of certain comfortability, stability, and especially that it 'doesn´t touch you'. 

If there is a certain 'center' or awareness activated, whatever happens in the outside world still can be happen and you actively participate. But without getting your hands dirty. In my opinion this is the delicious way to experience life. 

40 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

, and at their base is the falsehood that almost all humans incorporate as the basis of our psyche.

Yeah, is crazy that the unreal and imaginary feels and is experienced as the Reality. Is all twisted upside down. 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Javfly33

[Keryo Koffa]

@Javfly33 Yes, it's a balance. A healthy individual is whatever he needs to be and perfectly authentic with oneself and one's options.

When there is no choice, there is no reason not to let go and fully engage. The experiential awareness that there is infinite beauty in anything.

Yet following one's own life path and not get too attached to any one thing. To be authentic with one's arising desires and their illusory nature.

While learning to understand oneself, the initial questions twist like spiral dynamics, a certain circularity but elevation of awareness.

 

[Davino]

@Yimpa

I liked that sponge bob video more than what I'll admit

[Keryo Koffa]

@Javfly33 Only now do I realize the cruel life so far was nothing but our own buddhist teacher, subconsciously teaching us navigating wholeness and suffering to learn what it is and creating our own path allowing and disallowing ourselves to let go until we were content or had enough.

We were our own Buddha this entire time, both student and master, we were simply unexperienced in both.

[Yimpa]

26 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

We were our own Buddha this entire time, both student and master, we were simply unexperienced in both.

Well said. The student and the master grow in harmony as well.