Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley Of Hardware

[CARDOZZO]

Here you can see why China is years ahead of the world on technology, innovation, manufacturing.

They are teaching 8 year old kids to build software/hardware.

They are teaching scientific/technological skills to kids at a fast level.

Amazing.

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by CARDOZZO

[Girzo]

@CARDOZZO I think you are terribly missing with your comment.

I don't know what country you would like to compare, but let's say the US. Workers in the US need to have big salaries, especially educated ones with quality "hard" science education. The business is already saturated, there's enough workers. There's a constant supply of new ones, that's enough.

No-one forces kids to learn these things as it's simply not needed there. The only result would be more rivalry for jobs, lower pay, yet not more business. More business would be if they had lower labor cost, more materials, shorter supply chains, etc. But it's all in Asia for now, and teaching kids to solder won't bring it to the Americas.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Girzo

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

China is years ahead of the world on technology, innovation, manufacturing.

China is not even able to make sub-10nm chips. They are still far behind.

But their rate of growth is impressive and they might catch up in the next 20 years. But then they will face profound political problems as their corrupt communist regime hits its limits.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Leo Gura

[CARDOZZO]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

China is not even able to make sub-10nm chips. They are still far behind.

But their rate of growth is impressive and they might catch up in the next 20 years. But then they will face profound political problems as their corrupt communist regime hits its limits.

I agree with yourself on 10-nm chips.

I'm talking about manufacturing, creativity and mass production products.

I tend to be biased that China youths are much more interested in science/tech than the rest of the world.

[CARDOZZO]

9 hours ago, Girzo said:

@CARDOZZO I think you are terribly missing with your comment.

I don't know what country you would like to compare, but let's say the US. Workers in the US need to have big salaries, especially educated ones with quality "hard" science education. The business is already saturated, there's enough workers. There's a constant supply of new ones, that's enough.

No-one forces kids to learn these things as it's simply not needed there. The only result would be more rivalry for jobs, lower pay, yet not more business. More business would be if they had lower labor cost, more materials, shorter supply chains, etc. But it's all in Asia for now, and teaching kids to solder won't bring it to the Americas.

I'm talking about skills that will be relevant to the future.

Software, Hardware, Manufacturing, Production Managment.

They use a system of innovation called designer as factory/maker as you can see understand here more about:

 

[CARDOZZO]

Chinese people see open source/startup as a continuum not a competition.

This is crazy to americans.

They don't give a fuc* about intellectual property.

They just want to build, iterate, share.

You can make money or not with your inventions.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

I'm talking about manufacturing, creativity and mass production products.

Their creativity is suspect. They love to copy and steal a lot.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Girzo]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

Chinese people see open source/startup as a continuum not a competition.

This is exactly because they don’t have deep knowledge and would like firms that had invested billions in it to share it.

We live in a global economy where guarding knowledge is a must. You don’t guard if you don’t have any.

If all Western tech companies released their patents and started creating educational materials on their most valuable processes, that would damage them beyond imagination. Maybe it would be beneficial for humanity in the long run, but terrible for these companies and countries which economies they support.

I will repeat myself. There’s no more interest in STEM because it’s not needed. Someone needs to warm the hot dogs at gas stations.

Maybe if we had more DIY and repair shop oriented culture, but the current zeitsgeit is still to make unauthorized unofficial repairs as hard as possible, because it’s bad for business. But this business pays taxes and supports the social security system, so it’s never as easy as saying force them to stop doing it. Although this one I would force them, and I love the EU decision to force batteries to be replaceable in all devices even smartphones.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Girzo

[CARDOZZO]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Their creativity is suspect. They love to copy and steal a lot.

Steal like an artist.

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Steal like an artist.

Or steal in a more rat-like way.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Leo Gura

[CARDOZZO]

This is a bet that can happen:

https://fortune.com/2023/11/30/elon-musk-china-ev-future-tesla-byd-top-global-carmakers/ 

I have chinese friends here on my city.

Learning mandarin is hard.

[CARDOZZO]

I think the hard problem is manufacturing at scale.

I'm seeing an US effort to return to the golden era of manufacturing like this

Design/Project is done with software but manufacturing is cold-reality at its best.

It's like reading a book on driving and actually driving.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Bandman said:

Nah, steal in the Leo way, steal from Shunyamurti, Rumi, Sadhguru, Osho, Eckhart Tolle, and God himself.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Bandman said:

Nah, steal in the Leo way, steal from Shunyamurti, Rumi, Sadhguru, Osho, Eckhart Tolle, and God himself.

This comment should go inside a vault so nobody steals it. That's how valuable it is.

[Thought Art]

Their education system is a hellish meat grinder 

[CARDOZZO]

China's TikTok is like this: 90% science/tech.

Outside China: Hate/Porn.

[MarkKol]

Sounds like a paradise for entrepreneurs IMO

Shenzhen reminds me of Cyberpunk, neurotic high-functioning people like myself are very attracted to these huge cities, there's always something going on, and you can see so much obvious dysfunction and problems right out of your room window, all there for you to solve. I would definitely live there If I spoke Mandarin.

 

Edited December 16, 2023 by MarkKol

[CARDOZZO]

@MarkKol NY, SHENZHEN, KYOTO, SEOUL.

I would love to live 6 months on a crazy city and 6 months on Mykonos or some Italian village with 2000 people.

Edited December 16, 2023 by CARDOZZO