Are other people conscious on a relative level?

[Thought Art]

@Osaid I think Leo said it was absolute actually

[Osaid]

20 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I think Leo said it was absolute actually

I was pointing to how the thread title says "conscious on a relative level." 

[Thought Art]

@Osaid He means “are there other minds?” I think

[Osaid]

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

He means “are there other minds?” I think

Same thing.

[Thought Art]

@Osaid Are there?

[Osaid]

10 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Are there?

"Other mind" is different from "conscious experience." But most people would interpret them as the same thing, which causes the initial confusion. Most people are inquiring about conscious experience, not another mind. "Other mind" is there, but not "other consciousness." When I say something is not there, I am saying that nothing is there, not non-existence. There is a difference between "nothing" and "non-existence." Non-existence is an intellectual conclusion, you cannot experience something that does not exist. Experientially, consciousness says nothing (literally) about what does and doesn't exist, that is intellect and duality. Consciousness is just purely what is experienced.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Osaid

[Inliytened1]

Unlocked.   Since everyone wants to respond.  Not sure why it was locked. 

[strangelooper]

I don't have a subjective experience of my own. All these people are just programmed to say otherwise.

[Osaid]

Just now, strangelooper said:

I don't have a subjective experience of my own. All these people are just programmed to say otherwise.

You shed your previous belief that "other people have subjective experience", but you do not transcend it or see through it. You replace it with another belief, perhaps a more spiritual or metaphysical one: "Other people are programmed, other people are this, that, etc." You can play that game infinitely. But what you're playing around with is like an intellectual play-doh; a poor substitute for the real thing. The medium that you are using to perceive the existence of "other people" is wrong, throw the entire thing away. You are simply changing the medium and thinking it is somehow more correct or real than the previous one.