Are other people conscious on a relative level?

[Actualizer777]

@ivankiss But it's not even that. Leo in some threads claims that he doesn't have his own subjective experience. How does this make sense. Leo says he is an imagination of myself that I use to wake myself up. This sounds to me like Actualizer777 (me) is real and the only perspective there is.

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Actualizer777 said:

@UnbornTao I know but when Leo claims "You are typing a message to yourself because you are asleep and seeking to awaken." I just want to kill myself. This does not sound like absolute solipsism. This sounds like relative solipsism. Not that I am not real and Leo is not real. It sounds like only I (Actualizer777) am real.

It isn't true. Stop trying to figure things out. Ignore it and go about your work. 

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao I cannot ignore it. It eats me up. Maybe it is hard for you to relate but I am paralyzed because of this. Why is he denying his subjective experience telling me that only I have one?

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Actualizer777 said:

@UnbornTao I cannot ignore it. It eats me up. Maybe it is hard for you to relate but I am paralyzed because of this. Why is he denying his subjective experience telling me that only I have one?

You're coming at the matter too superficially, so don't worry. Relax and be honest. Everything's alright.

[Princess Arabia]

@Leo Guracan you please hurry up and clarify this stuff for this user before they have a heart attack. He's obviously mentally unstable if he's threatening to kill himself because of a lack of understanding. I'm not undermining your feelings because I'm very sensitive to suicidals, it's exactly the opposite why I'm urging for Leo to address this thread. Ugh.

[ivankiss]

Just now, Actualizer777 said:

@ivankiss But it's not even that. Leo in some threads claims that he doesn't have his own subjective experience. How does this make sense. Leo says he is an imagination of myself that I use to wake myself up. This sounds to me like Actualizer777 (me) is real and the only perspective there is.

He is talking to the consciousness inside you, not you as in your identity. - That's another way to look at it.

You just have to see past this at some point. Nothing anyone says to you can be absolutely right or wrong. It's just thoughts, that's all it really is.

Believing that you are God is nowhere near the same as abiding in God - consciousness. One is real, direct truth. The other is delusion, ego trip, or even mental illness.

[Actualizer777]

@Princess Arabia I am not "threatening" suicide. It just overwhelms me. Leo was such an important figure in my life. For so long. He is neither stupid nor delusional. When he tells me he does not experience a subjective experience the way I do, I just freak out.

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao Can you explain in any context why he would be saying things like in this one thread? In his video about infinity of gods everything makes much more sense.

[Princess Arabia]

44 minutes ago, Actualizer777 said:

It is not possible right now for me and it is driving me crazy. I would love to follow the path to awakening but this misinterpretation pushes me away from it. It leads me to wanting to end my life.

Whats this

[Actualizer777]

@ivankiss But why does he not say it in a way where I cannot interpret it like this. It seems like he actively wants to communicate the idea of relative solipsism. Otherwise he could say: "Other people have the same illusion of identity and subjectivity as you but all of it is imagined by the real YOU". Instead he says only my perspective exists. Only what is in front of me right now.

[Actualizer777]

@Princess Arabia I meant that it was not a "threat". But if this is the only perspective there is in reality, I don't want to live anymore.

[UnbornTao]

Of course you can ignore it.

The gist of it is: why worry about it? 

We don't know what's true. Believing in what another has told you is irrelevant.

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao But Leo is not any random dude on the internet. People say all sorts of nonsense. But for me Leo was a mentor for so long. Him saying it seems so personal to me. And I don't understand why he would tell me that his perspective does not exist in the same way my perspective exists. Because he is only a figment of my imagination.

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Actualizer777 said:

@Princess Arabia this is the only perspective there is in reality

It ain’t

[UnbornTao]

So what? Ignore it, it gets in the way. Stop making up BS, it isn't true.

Be grounded in your own work.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Actualizer777 said:

@Princess Arabia I meant that it was not a "threat". But if this is the only perspective there is in reality, I don't want to live anymore.

There are infinite perspectives. There isn't just one perspective. One AbsoluteTruth and you are it. So it doesn't matter about other perspectives. 

[Inliytened1]

@Actualizer777 if you imagine they are conscious it becomes reality.  Thats what becomes real for you.  Imagination literally is reality.

[UnbornTao]

No extrapolation. This is not a place to have one's beliefs validated.

Relax. Go take a walk.

Edited December 14, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Thought Art]

@Actualizer777 Hello my friend. Take some time to spend with friends, family, or others. 

This solipsism stuff, when understood intellectually is just none sense. Focus on enjoying Leo's content, socializing with others etc. 

Other people are real.

[Osaid]

Since when has consciousness been relative? What kind of BS are you learning from Leo?