How to quiet the mind?

[enzyme]

I've been looking to enter a state of complete no mind like when I was a little kid - no thought, just total presence.  I've been meditating consistently for 40-60 minutes.  It's definitely nice although at some point throughout the day I'll have some pretty intrusive/aggressive thoughts and I'm on the border of becoming schizo again.

Has anyone had a similar experience?  What worked best for you?

[Rafael Thundercat]

Many times, it is sometimes derived from your diet, the mind can get weird without proper nutrition, rest and other factors. As Leo say somewhere in his How Autority Works Video " Think of the possibility of Deep Thinking, forget about this Ideia of Get rid of the Mind, instead focus on Thinking with more Clarity. And as he say and as I can understand when give a good psycadelic boost on my mind, the truth is that the thougths you can have on baseline mentality dont compare with the ones you have with more Bandwigth. Even with nootropics and good energy levels my mind flows with ease. Healty body Healty mind. 

[Osaid]

The desire to quiet the mind is more mind, and it perpetuates more mind as well because it creates importance around the activity. A self-fulfilling prophecy, literally.

Thinking happens in direct proportion to how important you think it is to think, it can almost be similar to a thought loop. If you identify with thinking it will happen simply out of a desire for the survival of that identity. If you identify with being someone who is able to not think, you will think about that as well.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Osaid

[CoolDreamThanks]

To really enter deep Samadhi you need to live a meditative life, which is based in stillness. If you are engaged in the world, you won't taste the fruits of meditation, since meditation flowers only when the conditions are right. 

You keep the most basic survival things, of course, like eating, but if you have a job or are engaged in the world in other ways, your mind won't be still.  

Those who entered deep states or even reached enlightenment know that stillness of the body is the main component of a queit mind, and it has to be radical, you have to sit still all day all night, and only then the conditions for meditation are right.  Only 1 in 100 million does this, though. And only 1 in a billion does it long enough to reach enlightenmeny. Gl hf.

[Thought Art]

Use the headspace app

[Princess Arabia]

31 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

@OP This is key. The problem isn't thinking, but the emotional investment in your beliefs, which is the survival mechanism of ego.

That investment is what keeps the gears cranking. If thoughts are the smoke, then emotional investment (a.k.a. survival, a.k.a. fear) is the fire. That fire is what you need to extinguish, only then the smoke will stop.

Spiritualists dismiss thinking without understanding it. But critical thinking is critical to seeing through the bullshit, which is what undermines your emotional investment in it. Like an adolescent pushing off against their parents to become independent.

If your bullshit keeps coming back (as it usually does for psychonauts too), it just means you haven't seen through it yet. Suppressing it won't work, and isn't necessary. When you're no longer invested in it, it's just gone like it was never there. The emotional energy is what contracts you and anchors you to the dream, releasing it is what opens you.

You can probably think of countless things that you used to think were important but that are now completely gone from your headspace. So that's the key: Importance (a.k.a. emotional investment, a.k.a. attachment). If it stops being important, it stops being a thing. And guess what, nothing is important. Not even understanding the cosmos. All you need to do is stop believing it. The thing that believes anything is important, is the thing that's trying to survive, which is the false self, which consists of false beliefs. And all beliefs are false.

In other words you need to become disillusioned, which you do by seeing through the bullshit, which you do by opening your eyes and using your head. Not sitting in a stupor with your reasoning switched off. Better save that for when you're done.

Nice. Can you use my mind for me, I can't see to make it think.

[Princess Arabia]

16 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

And only 1 in a billion does it long enough to reach enlightenmeny

May I ask, how do you reach Enlightenment and where is it.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Squeekytoy said:

I just did. You quoted it. That was me doing other people's thinking for them.

 

I just told you, lol.

Are you saying the message I was saying "nice" to is how you reach enlightenment, 

[Yimpa]

Why does no one ask how to make the mind louder? I want it to be so fucking loud that it wakes me up!!

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Uhm yeah. You wake up from your delusion by dismantling your delusion...

Not sure how else people imagined they would.  🤷‍♂️ 

But people don't think they're deluded, they just want to be "enlightened" or "wake up" without knowing wtf it is, lol. Cause it sounds cool I guess.

But then that's precisely how delusion works, isn't it...

Ok, then I'm already enlightened, since it was me the whole time. To me, you are what you are, deluded or not. If I wear red lipstick, my lips appear red but it was pink (whatever the color of your lips) the whole time. How do I reach my original color. Wipe off the red lipstick. It was still my lips, just painted. Everybody is enlightened. Some are just unaware they are wearing the red lipstick. I think I'm going to start a thread on that to let the whole world know they are already Enlightened. 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Yimpa]

This guy just won’t shut up 

 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Squeekytoy said:

Yes, but the thing that says it's enlightened (and believes it, and believes it exists), isn't. And doesn't. Lol...

The thing that wakes up (if it does) never existed, and the thing that exists was never asleep.

That makes no sense. How can something that never existed wakes up. There's Noone/no-thing to wake up. 

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Why does no one ask how to make the mind louder? I want it to be so fucking loud that it wakes me up!!

Best joke ever on this forum...lol

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Right, figure that one out.

Noone already did..lol

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Squeekytoy said:

Then better put it to work.

There's no work to do. Only what makes you tick and come alive. The rest is just chores.

[CoolDreamThanks]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

May I ask, how do you reach Enlightenment and where is it.

I described the process already, but perhaps you need a person in a spiritual outfit and someone of influence, so here's the same idea from a different source: 

 

[Breakingthewall]

Compulsive thinking occurs due to the dissonance between the inside and the outside. Human life happens in such a way that there comes a time when our inner being is out of harmony with the world to which we have to adapt. we have to repress impulses and create a functional character. This creates a mental mess in which many opposing forces converge and interfere with each other.

Spirituality tells you: sit down and quiet your mind. This is impossible, it doesn't work, it is repressive violence. The mind becomes still when you equalize what is and what should be, when you become a master of the inner and the outer. It's not easy, but life never is. it's possible. The mind can become a calm lake, of unfathomable depth, but there are no shortcuts to this, it is a fascinating process in which your intuition guides you internally and externally, which accelerates once the first stages are covered. 

Once your mind is harmonized, meditation is effortless, and psychedelics cause opening. This is where understanding and real vision begin, the opening to reality. Before this stage, meditation and psychedelics are tools to harmonize, to show dissonances

Edited December 11, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

I described the process already, but perhaps you need a person in a spiritual outfit and someone of influence, so here's the same idea from a different source: 

 

My question wasn't really meant to be literal as in wanting to know how to get enlightened. You said "reach enlightenment". There's nothing to reach for only to be recognized because enlightenment isn't somewhere out there it's already present.

13 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's nothing to reach for only to be recognized because enlightenment isn't somewhere out there it's already present.

Is present when your mind is a whirlwind of constant anxiety that you only calm with compulsive behaviors, watching content, avoidance, like most humans do? (I don't mean you concretely). Anxiety is the mental distance between what is and what should be, they are two separate lines that must be equalized. This equalization requires work. Ultimately the exterior is the interior, harmonization involves seeing this among other things. So we could say that enlightenment is something to achieve

Edited December 11, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Is present when your mind is a whirlwind of constant anxiety that you only calm with compulsive behaviors, watching content, avoiding it, like most humans do? (I don't mean you concretely). Anxiety is the mental distance between what is and what should be, they are two separate lines that must be equalized. This equalization requires work. Ultimately the exterior is the interior, harmonization involves seeing this among other things. So we could say that enlightenment is something to achieve

I'm not saying it can't be achieved just saying it's already here. To recognize something is still achieving that recognition - so to speak.