The character never awakens. Consciousness does.

[ivankiss]

To think that the character is supposed to awaken, or can awaken at all, is a deep, deep misunderstanding.

A character that thinks they're awake... is not, obviously.

A character that thinks some other character is awake, because of what they know or say about awakening... is hallucinating, obviously.

There are no awakened characters. No awakened Leos, no awakened Oshos, no awakened Sadhgurus, Ramanas or what have you.

No awakened I, no awakened you, no awakened them. Only awakened awareness. Only direct, awakened consciousness.

And it is anything but limited to an individual or a character. Awakened consciousness is anything but contained, captured or hosted by the character, or anything else.

Please realize those are all just limiting beliefs and ideas.

If there is an awakened awareness... An awareness aware of itself, and nothing other than itself, directly, right now... Then there literally cannot be anything other but that awakened awareness. No characters, no gurus, no channels, no bubbles. Only consciousness.

The character never awakens. Stop expecting that to happen. That there is a character is part of the dream. To awaken, is to dream no longer.

[Sempiternity]

Yep, you got it!   (you being consciousness, not the character  )

[ivankiss]

32 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

Yep, you got it!   (you being consciousness, not the character  )

It gets itself! 

[Someone here]

Damn .you are a smart guy. Did not expect that you easily fall into the "there is no you to awaken " Neo-Advaitan crap.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Someone here

[Thought Art]

But, there is “I” 

Language really breaks down I think at these awakenings. 
 

By creating a duality between “I” and awareness and consciousness I think that may be a problem. 
 

There… is I suppose the I beyond the finite I. The God I. The absolute, infinite, final, ultimate person is me. So, I can awaken to that.
 

Because consciousness is absolute, I guess you are right in a sense. That, your finite dream self has to die for you to awaken. But, I think what is left then is an “I”. God I.

I’ve been thinking about my experiences on 5meodmt and DMT, implications of solipsism and some insights I gained from Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita…. Toetle,,,,

But, I also suspect the “character” can awaken. Because you as a human exist and are consciousness. Awakening to what you are as Svayam Bhagavan

I am paradoxical and contradict myself because I contain multitudes 

There is still much I don’t know. I’m very humble.

I really doubt I’ve had my deepest awakenings. I’m patient. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Thought Art

[Osaid]

14 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Neo-Advaitan carp

[Someone here]

@Osaid I meant *crap , you creep 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

[Thought Art]

3 minutes ago, Osaid said:

 

[Someone here]

I mean seriously..you guys are so lost in spiritual puffy buffy land of impersonal cloud of "consciousness " floating around without a "you " owning it .

You gotta outgrow that shit . That's kindergarten to this work.  Are you aware of cartoon wolf awakening 2.0 ?

[Thought Art]

@Someone here No, but what I’m saying at least allows for cartoon wolfs to be possible. 

[Someone here]

@Thought Art I was just Trolling around 😂 

[Thought Art]

@Someone here 2 points for trolling 

[Thought Art]

I need to get over my tendency to argue or whatever. 
 

What OP says has truth to it. Maybe, but it doesn’t seem complete. 

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Someone here 2 points for trolling 

Haha that will get me so close to an unresponsible ban from @Sincerity. he gave me 6 points .

[Thought Art]

@Someone here oh, that’s a bit close for comfort. I would suggest being extra careful posting. 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Someone here oh, that’s a bit close for comfort. I would suggest being extra careful posting. 

Indeed. 

I apologise @ivankiss for derailing the thread .

Was just trying to spice it up with some humour. 

[Carl-Richard]

35 minutes ago, Osaid said:

😂 That one knocked me out by an unexpected left hook late at night.

[Someone here]

What's so funny about it ..it's a fucking Buddhist fish. Like duh..

Edited December 7, 2023 by Someone here

[Carl-Richard]

59 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Damn .you are a smart guy. Did not expect that you easily fall into the "there is no you to awaken " Neo-Advaitan crap.

Firstly, that is not Neo-Advaita, just Advaita. Neo-Advaita claims there is nothing the character can do to awaken. Secondly, it's true though from a certain perspective that the character doesn't awaken. That said, the awakening "looks" like something, an enlightened after-image so to speak, in the form of an "enlightened individual". But it's not this individual that has grasped the truth, rather that the individual stepped aside and reality poured in. But yes, again, that looks like something in the individual.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Carl-Richard