Great quote from Zen master on the nature of reality

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

PUA is all about learning about women from women, just not by believing what they say, lol. Actions speak louder than words.

In fact there is nothing in this world that you can learn by believing what people say about it.

People are funny that way.

If I was to listen to whatever I said to myself every time I talked to myself, I'd be damned too, so nothing new to learn there. Don't need a coach to tell me not to mind my own mind.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, StarStruck said:

Yea that is what I’m saying. We are saying the same thing but in a different way. 

See, so it doesn't really matter who we learn shit from it's the message and how we interpret that message that counts.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Mind is not the problem, the problem is people can't think for shit.

Excuse me, and where are thoughts processed again?

Edited December 1, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Squeekytoy said:

In your case I'm not sure  

Why do I sense flirtacious talk. See, you just gave me permission to act or say erradict things, since you're calling me crazy. 😜thanks for the invite now I feel at home. 

[Vibroverse]

Peeps getting horny here, ahaha. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

If you like!  😜 Much more cozy.

Better stop before this thread turns into Great Quotes from Actualized Forum members😇

[StarStruck]

44 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

See, so it doesn't really matter who we learn shit from it's the message and how we interpret that message that counts.

You can only give inside-out view of womanhood.  You can’t give me an outside-in view of womanhood. 

[Someone here]

14 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

This makes no sense. How can the ego be all that exist when the ego is just a construction. Solipsism doesn't say that. That quote is actually implying Solipsism. You're against Solipsism but you're praising a quote that supports it. "All sentient beings are nothing but the one Mind" "And there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient beings". What do you think those lines mean.

Girl ,That's what I'm trying to explain to you since a decade..

Solipsism is the doctrine that “existence” means for me my existence and that of my mental states. Existence is everything that I experience: physical objects.. other people..events and processes..anything that would commonly be regarded as a constituent of the space and time in which I coexist with others and is necessarily construed by me as part of the content of my consciousness. 

So u can't be in two places at once . 

It's not that this quote supports solipsism if you pay attention he asserts that there are sentient beingS (plural). Take a look..you are conscious ..can you EVER in  Billion fucking years know for CERTAINTY that you are not In a dream right now ?and that you are dreaming up the entire world ? I mean you do this shit every night when you go to bed. So this is not so far out there or farfetched from your capacity. 

However..there is literally no evidence to the contrary. 

As long as you have an experience of others then others exist . Otherwise solipsism is just mental masturbation & spiritual nonsense &big bucket of horseshit 

[Someone here]

@Osaid great quotes there man . Thank you 🙏 

[Osaid]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

great quotes there man . Thank you 🙏 

Yeah for sure, this thread inspired me to look up random Zen quotes now, they're actually pretty interesting.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

So u can't be in two places at once

You are in multiple Realities right now. Somewhere there are other versions of you right fucking now. A second ago you were in another Reality than the one you're previously in. But let us not even get into a debate about that because it won't get anywhere.

[Vibroverse]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You are in multiple Realities right now. Somewhere there are other versions of you right fucking now. A second ago you were in another Reality than the one you're previously in. But let us not even get into a debate about that because it won't get anywhere.

I believe that it is true, you are another being in another timeline all the time, that's what i believe. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Vibroverse said:

I believe that it is true, you are another being in another timeline all the time, that's what i believe. 

 

Yes

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

19 hours ago, Osaid said:

You = God is a tautology so it is really useless in saying anything. It is like saying 1 = 1 or 2 = 2. You are already exactly what you are. It is just as useful as saying You = You.

Well, like I always say: "You" and "God" are both concepts. The usefulness of concepts is that they de-fine things, thus turning them into (seemingly) distinct objects. To say that one concept = another concept obviously defeats their whole purpose.

The All That Is on the other hand is not a concept, which means that it cannot be defined, named, numbered or characterized in any way whatsoever.

20 hours ago, Osaid said:

Taking God as an identity is complete delusion and falsehood, as all identities are.

Exactly. The notion of "Absolute Solipsism" (an oxymoron btw... by definition, no -ism can ever be absolute) which is so ardently propagated on this forum is really just the ego's last ditch effort to construct and hold on to an illusory identity, and it's the final height of all delusion... kind of like a setting sun that glows in the most intensely vibrant colors right before it dissappears.

It may very well be a necessary stage that everyone needs to go through (lord knows I've experienced my own fair share of solipsistic madness), but the quicker you move past it, the better. Ideally you just get it over and done with in one single instant, like our friend Keanu here:

 

[Osaid]

15 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

It may very well be a necessary stage that everyone needs to go through (lord knows I've experienced my own fair share of solipsistic madness), but the quicker you move past it, the better. Ideally you just get it over and done with in one single instant, like our friend Keanu here:

I honestly only see it in psychedelic circles. It's just psychedelic-induced lunacy. If you do it sober it's definitely possible to not go through any of that. I know someone personally who got enlightened very cleanly sober, no existential delusions or existential horrors prior.

It is possible to suffer from it if someone takes a psychedelic and then convinces you of it, though. It is ultimately ideological, so it can be transmitted to other people who haven't even taken psychedelics if they simply start believing in it.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Osaid

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Vibroverse @Osaid I encourage you to explore the levels of logic. Both meta-logic and Meta-Logic. I encourage you to familiarize yourself with the discoveries of Georg Cantor and Bernhard Riemann. The intellect gets off there. We need to get to the Meta level as much as we can. I assure you that logic is an absolute condition - sine qua non - of any existence.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Sorry, it should be metalogic and Meta - Logic to be precise

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

3 hours ago, Osaid said:

I honestly only see it in psychedelic circles. It's just psychedelic-induced lunacy. If you do it sober it's definitely possible to not go through any of that. I know someone personally who got enlightened very cleanly sober, no existential delusions or existential horrors prior.

Mmmm, good point. You're right... as fascinating and helpful (in certain regards) psychedelics can be, they are ultimately the heralds of unearned wisdom. If the ego structure is still very dense while you have these "glimpses", it will immediately hijack them and spin all kinds of stories around them... which can spectacularly backfire, especially in cases where heavy spiritual bypassing is involved. What's so pernicious about it is that you can only see through the lunacy once you have moved past it, at which point it becomes as clear as daylight.

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

it will immediately hijack them and spin all kinds of stories around them

22 hours ago, StarStruck said:

 

If you are looking for mystical opening with psychedelics, you must be clear that what you are looking for is to break mental structures and open yourself to the unlimited. This makes it easier to let go of the need for mental understanding.

Psychedelics are a powerful tool but they can be deceptive. You should not believe everything that appears because a lot of it is your subconscious manifesting itself. Concrete things, like: God was bored and that's why he created wars, should be dismissed as noise. the goal is unlimited openness, the perception of existence alive in you, your true nature. This has no structure and you cannot say anything about it, only live it, and its usefulness is not to return with information, but to enable openness and connection to your true nature by getting used to it, so that it becomes part of your daily existence.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Breakingthewall like in this saying: "life is not problem to be solved but a mystery to be lived"😉