Can I Use Molly To Improve Socializing And Connecting With Women?

[MrTelepath]

I’m aware that using MDMA (Molly, Ecstasy, etc.) habitually can cause Neurotoxicity and other negative effects. My intention is to use it maybe 2-3 times a year while spacing out my experiences. I’m prepared for the comedown which I’ve heard feels awful due to Serotonin, Dopamine and Norepinephrine depletion. I have 5-HTP and a few set of Supplements for that. All that aside, I’m curious to know if I can take it for cold approaching and things of that nature seeing as I’ve read many stories and spoken to people personally who’ve said it has benefits when improving romantic relationships and making you carefree.

So my reason for wanting to experiment with MDMA is to see if it can help with social anxiety. People have told me it can and I know that when the effects wear off I’ll be back to square one but I’m still wondering if there’s any value to the experience. Other Psychedelics(LSD, Mushrooms, Mescaline, etc.) have more to offer and are safer to use than Molly. It’s not even a Psychedelic, it’s a Stimulant/Empathogen but does seem to have Psychedelic Properties like the feeling of Unity and Interconnectedness from the unconditional love vibe that it brings. 
 

I’ve mentioned before how I tremble, shake, stutter and sweat when in uncomfortable situations (including social situations) due to intense fear. Is there any chance I can gain something of value from using Molly to help with human connections and talking to girls?

[Raze]

You are better off using them for neediness trauma releases in conjunction with other inner game practices to improve your baseline.

[The0Self]

Your pupils would look a bit scary. They’d have to know you’re on it and be fine with it

[MrTelepath]

3 minutes ago, The0Self said:

Your pupils would look a bit scary. They’d have to know you’re on it and be fine with it

I never thought about that, lol. Is it easy to tell if someone’s on Molly?

[flowboy]

11 hours ago, Shrooms_Alvarez said:

I never thought about that, lol. Is it easy to tell if someone’s on Molly?

Yes.

 

12 hours ago, Raze said:

You are better off using them for neediness trauma releases in conjunction with other inner game practices to improve your baseline.

Basically this. Social anxiety comes from trauma (people are by design not aware of what their trauma is so you might have an automatic defense against this statement)

finding the trauma and working through it fixes the problem permanently. Though it can take years, at least it's a permanent solution that will grow you and make you happier in other ways too.

 

As for the question whether MDMA improves social anxiety: yes, for the 2-3 times a year that you would take it.

But only during those trips.

And you could only enjoy the benefits at parties where other people are doing drugs, and the "mdma face" is socially acceptable.

It's nice, I did it, but I can't say it improved my social anxiety beyond those party nights.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

Can you use PEDs to win a marathon? Sure you can. Is it more constructive to improve your technique, muscle power and stamina in order to get the same result?

You be the judge.

[Yimpa]

Psychedelics, like any tool, have the potential to be used in immature or mature ways. It’s not either or, but rather, a spectrum. 

I find that in the beginning, we use psychedelics to give us extraordinary experiences; to make us feel invisible. Chasing immortality from a place of lack. Of course, this is only a glimpse and only lasts temporarily.

As you mature, you use psychedelics from a wiser position. You use it more for self-reflection and learning to master your autonomy. Embracing your lack and learning to nurture it, rather than avoiding it or needing to have a temporary high to feel good.

I’m not saying that the former is bad and the latter is good. You need to experience the immaturity to have a greater appreciation for the maturity, and vice versa. 

[Yimpa]

Just now, Yimpa said:

to make us feel invisible.

I meant invincible, but I suppose invisible works, too 

[MrTelepath]

6 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Psychedelics, like any tool, have the potential to be used in immature or mature ways. It’s not either or, but rather, a spectrum. 

I find that in the beginning, we use psychedelics to give us extraordinary experiences; to make us feel invisible. Chasing immortality from a place of lack. Of course, this is only a glimpse and only lasts temporarily.

As you mature, you use psychedelics from a wiser position. You use it more for self-reflection and learning to master your autonomy. Embracing your lack and learning to nurture it, rather than avoiding it or needing to have a temporary high to feel good.

I’m not saying that the former is bad and the latter is good. You need to experience the immaturity to have a greater appreciation for the maturity, and vice versa. 

That's a very well thought way of viewing it.

Thank You! The part where you said many (myself included) have used Psychedelics to feel invincible is so true but like you said the experience is only temporary.

I'm still in the early stages of exploring Psychedelic Territory. Part of becoming mature requires going through moments of immaturity so that one can learn from them.
 

7 hours ago, flowboy said:

Yes.

 

Basically this. Social anxiety comes from trauma (people are by design not aware of what their trauma is so you might have an automatic defense against this statement)

finding the trauma and working through it fixes the problem permanently. Though it can take years, at least it's a permanent solution that will grow you and make you happier in other ways too.

 

As for the question whether MDMA improves social anxiety: yes, for the 2-3 times a year that you would take it.

But only during those trips.

And you could only enjoy the benefits at parties where other people are doing drugs, and the "mdma face" is socially acceptable.

It's nice, I did it, but I can't say it improved my social anxiety beyond those party nights.

Thanks for the reply! I had a feeling it wouldn’t do much to help my social anxiety in the long-term. I was hoping there would be something I can use to help overcome my fear of talking to girls and socializing without having to actually face my fear. I still want to experiment with Molly but I now know not to have any expectations in regards to fixing my social anxiety problem, completely.

Quick question. In regards to using Psychedelics for Trauma and Deep-Rooted Fears, how can I go about doing that exactly? I know it’s process but how does it work?

Edited November 30, 2023 by Shrooms_Alvarez

[Schizophonia]

I don't know, it's really very "yin".
Even in a girl it becomes disgusting, the few times I saw her on MDMA she gave off this strange energy of "self-decomposition", a matter of grotesque and sexual behavior.

If I really had to take something I would rather take phenibut, some benzodiazepine, or even a little PCP/ketamine.

Even cannabis could give you a slightly goofy energy, but still more attractive (especially for a man) than that of MDMA, if you know what I mean.

[Schizophonia]

31 minutes ago, Shrooms_Alvarez said:

That's a very well thought way of viewing it.

Thank You! The part where you said many (myself included) have used Psychedelics to feel invincible is so true but like you said the experience is only temporary.

I'm still in the early stages of exploring Psychedelic Territory. Part of becoming mature requires going through moments of immaturity so that one can learn from them.
 

Thanks for the reply! I had a feeling it wouldn’t do much to help my social anxiety in the long-term. I was hoping there would be something I can use to help overcome my fear of talking to girls and socializing without having to actually face my fear. I still want to experiment with Molly but I now know not to have any expectations in regards to fixing my social anxiety problem, completely.

In regards to using Psychedelics for Trauma and Deep-Rooted Fears, how can I go about doing that exactly? I know it’s process but how does it work?

Psychedelics and even amphetamines will make anxiety worse.
You want something that reduces adrenaline and/or increases GABA.

You can try fairly high doses of niacinamines to reduce adrenaline.
To reduce gaba the most effective would be good doses of DHT creams, or (less safe and to be avoided in the long term) anxiolithic-oriented benzodiazepines, phenibut or even GHB/GBL.
Supplements can help I suppose, but I don't know much about (NAC?)

[flowboy]

52 minutes ago, Shrooms_Alvarez said:

Quick question. In regards to using Psychedelics for Trauma and Deep-Rooted Fears, how can I go about doing that exactly? I know it’s process but how does it work?

Do not use psychedelics for trauma and deep rooted anything, it is not safe. Do trauma release sober.

As for how: I have a course on it and also free videos on my YouTube 

[MrTelepath]

@Schizophonia I only have experience with Cannabis and Mushrooms. Both substances are something I’d rather do alone for personal growth and exploring the psychedelic experience. I’ve been high on weed around people and women before and it makes me a little paranoid. As for Mushrooms they make me extremely mellow and it’s sometimes very hard to move around on them. I’ve heard of people going to social settings on LSD which some say is more stimulating than Mushrooms. I haven’t tried it, yet, though. 
 

I’d have to do more research on the others, though. Normally, I wouldn’t be interested in using compounds outside of Traditional Psychedelics with a few exceptions here and there, of course.

 

 

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Shrooms_Alvarez said:

@Schizophonia I only have experience with Cannabis and Mushrooms. Both substances are something I’d rather do alone for personal growth and exploring the psychedelic experience. I’ve been high on weed around people and women before and it makes me a little paranoid. As for Mushrooms they make me extremely mellow and it’s sometimes very hard to move around on them. I’ve heard of people going to social settings on LSD which some say is more stimulating than Mushrooms. I haven’t tried it, yet, though. 
 

I’d have to do more research on the others, though. Normally, I wouldn’t be interested in using compounds outside of Traditional Psychedelics with a few exceptions here and there, of course.

 

 

All I know is that I just don't want to be seen in mushrooms lol.

[MrTelepath]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

All I know is that I just don't want to be seen in mushrooms lol.

Tell me about it, lol!!! When it comes to doing anything they’re my first choice and I love them. But they feel like something you should do in solitude and not at parties, clubs or any of those places.

[MrTelepath]

1 hour ago, flowboy said:

Do not use psychedelics for trauma and deep rooted anything, it is not safe. Do trauma release sober.

As for how: I have a course on it and also free videos on my YouTube 

I’ll check it out!!! The thing is that most techniques and methods out there that involve overcoming social anxiety and other fears don’t seem to be effective for me. And as I mentioned above, I was hoping to find a method that can help me overcome fear without having to face it if that makes sense. Leo mentioned in his 2 part series about fear that while Psychedelics shouldn’t be your only tool when dealing with fear, they are the most powerful. 

[Yimpa]

3 hours ago, Shrooms_Alvarez said:

Thank You! The part where you said many (myself included) have used Psychedelics to feel invincible is so true but like you said the experience is only temporary.

And just because it’s temporary does not mean it’s useless. Psychedelics open you up to dimensions of yourself that you didn’t know existed; dimensions that were waiting for you to heed their call openly. You can then identify and integrate values-based insights into your human existence.

For example, I’ve become more in touch with my sexuality and gender identity, as well as attracting people I authentically enjoy dating. This is much different than trying to attract every single girl to prove your worth, even if there’s little connection with most of them.

[flowboy]

9 hours ago, Shrooms_Alvarez said:

I’ll check it out!!! The thing is that most techniques and methods out there that involve overcoming social anxiety and other fears don’t seem to be effective for me. And as I mentioned above, I was hoping to find a method that can help me overcome fear without having to face it if that makes sense. Leo mentioned in his 2 part series about fear that while Psychedelics shouldn’t be your only tool when dealing with fear, they are the most powerful. 

Well I can teach you how to work through it in the comfort of your own living room, without substances. But it’s still going to feel emotionally difficult.

I do think that is the best way: just exposure therapy by repeating social behaviour can work to dissociate you from your real self and just build calluses on your personality… which means the socialising would not feel fulfilling to you since it’s not your real self doing it, if that makes sense.

@Shrooms_Alvarez playlist for you, hope it helps: 

and the link in my signature might be interesting to you depending 

[MrTelepath]

@flowboy I did Exposure Therapy for sometime and the anxiety/fear still progressed. “Repetition is what conditions the mind” is what people have told me. I’d attempt to converse with people (including women) as much as I can but the social anxiety was still there. In fact, it seems as though the fear gets worse with age. That’s something I’ve noticed in myself. I mentioned this in another thread I made in the personal development section. I was seeing a Psychotherapist for a while regarding my social anxiety and that wasn’t effective either. 
 

I’m thinking of going to Psychedelic Therapy for the problem. I wouldn’t do Psychedelics on my own for this but rather with a guide/therapist who can help navigate me through the experiences. I don’t fully know how the sessions work but I’m guessing it’s like that. 
 

My desire to overcome fear is one of the reasons I got into Spirituality and Psychedelics! I explain more in the other thread I mentioned which I’ll leave a link to.

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Shrooms_Alvarez

[flowboy]

1 hour ago, Shrooms_Alvarez said:

I don’t fully know how the sessions work but I’m guessing it’s like that. 

I've had extensive talks with psychedelic therapists and their sessions are not like that.

Psychedelic therapy is done at the layer of reframing beliefs and thoughts, similar to CBT.

Which goes faster under the influence of psychedelics, for sure.

But the underlying trauma is not released.

And you really should not do that in psychedelic therapy either, it's incompatible with it because it opens up the repressive system too much.

Unaddressed trauma, when it pushes up to the surface, creates anxiety symptoms, panic attacks, hypervigilance.

And it will keep pushing up as long as it sits there.

 

The problem I see is that people want to take magic pills that will help them get a cure in a few sessions, and "reframe" their trauma.

It doesn't work that way.

These issues come from tons of emotional pain that was incurred at a time where you were too young and vulnerable to fully understand it, so it's like a debt that has to be paid.

You pay that debt by feeling.

Feeling the unfelt emotional pain that was stored for later.

That's how you become free of symptoms.

Like this dude:

 

Psychedelics have helped me a lot with insight and growth, and I went through a phase where I was super hyped about psychedelic therapy, but I no longer am so hyped. I think psychedelic therapy is a faster, better version of CBT, but it's still pretty surface level, and going to deeper layers of trauma under the influence of psychedelics is just not safe, and not something psychedelic therapists (should) do.