UFOs Are Here

[What Am I]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This sub-forum is not just politics, it's also current events and societal issues.

Fair enough, I trust you more than myself to sort out the proper locations in your own forum.

Edited August 24 by What Am I

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, What Am I said:

Fair enough, I trust you more than myself to sort out the proper locations in your own forum.

Meeting and dealing with aliens would be a very political societal issue.

[What Am I]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Meeting and dealing with aliens would be a very political societal issue.

Oh man, of that there is no doubt. The moment it moves from the fringes into the spotlight, I can't imagine there'd be anything else worth discussing more.

Edited August 24 by What Am I

[Yimpa]

ZOMG, is this Alien Jesus? Come on Texas, let’s goo!!!

 

[Moutushi]

 

[What Am I]

 

[Ero]

Three out of four of my last trips all had some alien aspect to them. I have had a growing sense of deep certainty that will in some shape or form encounter alien intelligence directly in our lifetimes. 

The technological acceleration that is coming (I am already 2x-ing the speed of a PhD using AI) largely entails we will soon breach through the “fourth wall” if you will,.
 

The real question is not whether they exist (consciousness takes ALL form). At this point that is a given. It is what the fuck is their biology, science and technology, understanding, etc.

Just some food for thought- the optical cables are supposedly reversed engineered out of crashed spacecraft.

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Ero said:

I have had a growing sense of deep certainty that will in some shape or form encounter alien intelligence directly in our lifetimes. 

Only if they think we are mature enough.

[What Am I]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Only if they think we are mature enough.

So says a particular school of thought relating to the phenomenon, but I wonder about this one. There's a certain air of deception about the whole thing that doesn't necessarily instill hope for purely benevolent intentions.

I can't personally provide an answer for why both our world governments as well as the advanced beings themselves have kept all this hidden, but I wouldn't be so quick to assume it's due to our lack of development. Mostly because the truth of what's really possible in human development is itself one of the things that's been hidden. It's so much more difficult to aim towards a universal spiritual awareness when you're unaware it exists, or get ostracized for even suggesting it.

Definitely not trying to spread fear, because that won't help anyone, and many a leader has utilized fear to produce their desired outcomes. But it could be worth reviewing the whole situation from a different angle.

Edited October 6 by What Am I

[Leo Gura]

Well, my reasoning is that if evil or immature aliens were around they would have already made obvious contact.

[zurew]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, my reasoning is that if evil or immature aliens were around they would have already made obvious contact.

How do you make sense of DMT entities in terms of metaphysics (I am specifically asking ,whether you would consider them as real as the aliens you are referring to in your above statement)? 

Btw - do you categorize DMT entities as aliens or do you give them a different label?

Edited October 7 by zurew

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, zurew said:

How do you make sense of DMT entities

I never met any DMT entities.

But even if I did, that's not the same thing as aliens flying around in UFOs.

Edited October 7 by Leo Gura

[Ero]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Only if they think we are mature enough.

There is definitely that, but the intuition I have is that the technological acceleration will in many ways change the dynamics of that - if you expand the fidelity of your telescope/ microscope you will eventually see things you haven’t bargained for.

Also, I think it would be more selective to people with an already advanced consciousness/ cognition if you will. Similar to Talbot’s argument/ Six levels of UAP, the interactions seem to be on the level of suggestion/telepathy. As such, I don’t expect a normie to have the “model capacity”/sophistication of relative, paradoxical and self-referential thinking that would be required for such an interaction to be fruitful.

[Ero]

5 hours ago, zurew said:

How do you make sense of DMT entities in terms of metaphysics (I am specifically asking ,whether you would consider them as real as the aliens you are referring to in your above statement)? 

Btw - do you categorize DMT entities as aliens or do you give them a different label?

I would categorise them as a different class, although not necessarily disjoint. Who knows, they might have a way to hop in and out of this space-time, beyond just having accelerations, unattainable through contemporary physics.

[What Am I]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, my reasoning is that if evil or immature aliens were around they would have already made obvious contact.

Right, that's not an unreasonable assumption. More so than evil, I wonder if there's a neutral disposition towards humanity at play, at least for some of the advanced species involved. And I also wonder if we're dealing with a type of experimentation scenario. When a human scientist performs experiments on lab mice, I don't think it could be said that they're doing so with malevolent intent. But at the same time, the actions being performed probably aren't in the mouse's best interests, but rather for the betterment of the scientist's own species.

I just think it could be a mistake to view this whole thing through such an idealized lens. After all the info I've gathered from over 20 years of research, the story seems to be much more nuanced. While still amazingly good with incredible potential, our situation may not be the fairy tale we hope for.

Edited October 7 by What Am I

[What Am I]

27 minutes ago, Ero said:

Also, I think it would be more selective to people with an already advanced consciousness/ cognition if you will. Similar to Talbot’s argument/ Six levels of UAP, the interactions seem to be on the level of suggestion/telepathy. As such, I don’t expect a normie to have the “model capacity”/sophistication of relative, paradoxical and self-referential thinking that would be required for such an interaction to be fruitful.

There's no doubt that contacts have seemingly trended towards humans who are more advanced in their capacity for conscious awareness, and especially a natural tendency for capabilities like telepathy. I wonder why that is.

32 minutes ago, Ero said:

I would categorise them as a different class, although not necessarily disjoint. Who knows, they might have a way to hop in and out of this space-time, beyond just having accelerations, unattainable through contemporary physics.

Yeah, agreed. I feel there's a connection where DMT entities are concerned. The DMT hyperspace experience may simply be a layer of existence in which advanced beings all have access.

[zurew]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, my reasoning is that if evil or immature aliens were around they would have already made obvious contact.

Whats the argument for why wouldn't mature aliens make obvious contact?

The free will arguments seem to be similar to theological arguments when it comes to the problem of evil, but I don't find them persuasive at all. 

Like why not accelerate our development or why not make us more mature in a faster way? (assuming they have ways to do that) 

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, zurew said:

Whats the argument for why wouldn't mature aliens make obvious contact?

The free will arguments seem to be similar to theological arguments when it comes to the problem of evil, but I don't find them persuasive at all. 

Like why not accelerate our development or why not make us more mature in a faster way? (assuming they have ways to do that) 

Because you can't fix stupid.

People can't even apply my work, and you expect them to listen to aliens??

Edited October 7 by Leo Gura

[Atb210201]

Realisation and becoming more councious always has to happen within oneself and with their own free will and choice.

You can never force an ignorant and unconcious person conscious or realised. (Not claiming I'm realised or concious I'm also very much of an ignorant myself in many ways)

But it can never be forced.

You have to teach them like a child and be patient with them.

Goodluck telling someone what you're doing is limited and not right and not the best for you without them being willing to listen to you; it will backfire very badly.

So if aliens do exist and are way more conscious than us then they have to do it in the same manner as well; gradually without enforcement making us more conscious.

Edited October 7 by Atb210201

[OBEler]

This scientist has a great explanation for linking DMT aliens to real world UFOs:

sorry can't summarize, just watch: