Far-Right Wins Dutch General Election

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Ukraine maybe. But smaller countries like Macedonia or Montengro are not that big  and therefore not an issue.

Romania also has more population than all of them combined and EU had no issue to let them in 2007 when the country was poorer than any country in Europe in 2023.

Well in my country we now have many roma beggars because of this and free movement 

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Well in my country we now have many roma beggars because of this and free movement 

And it seems that the many polish people who went to work in the uk were one of the reasons for brexit

[BlueOak]

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I know in the netherlands there is for example the moroccan mafia and generally a lot of immigration

left is idealistic and not in touch with reality and right wing is „offering“ simple solutions for complex issues and doesn’t deliver either. 

The right traditionally requires corporate approval, and corporations require workers from somewhere. This is more true of the left these days also. Because we've shifted the overton window so far capitalist and right globally.

Whatever anyone says in a speech or to camera, unless the numbers of migrants go down significantly it makes no difference to anything. They almost certainly won't as economic pressure still trumps anyone's idealogy, cultural preferences or feelings. Why, because a single mega corporation has more financial power than a smaller country. They could just shift their operations elsewhere, which is sometimes a possibility, but that just takes jobs out of the economy and reduces the quality of life for people living there.

The left is just idealistic? What left? Liberal, well yeah it's a liberal ideology to have a push toward open borders. If you mean socialism, no that can be completely closed borders, depending on the type of policy best required for society as a whole. Rightwing Capitalism loves economic migration, to fill gaps in the workforce as quickly as possible. Again we take out socialism, we demonize it, and don't achieve any popular social change that lasts. It's not rocket science. Take any one of the four political pressures or compass points out, and the system operates in a flawed way: Socialism, Authoritarianism, Liberalism, and Capitalism.
 

5 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

This is THE reason, I have almost never seen anyone vote to the right out of conservatism, knowing that the French right is more conservative than that of northern European countries.

People can no longer tolerate increasing insecurity and ethnic replacement.

Can they tolerate a recession, not living to the standards they are accustomed, or being out of a job? I agree with you that's the motivation. A significant part of the population wants a similar culture to theirs near to where they live.

If we analyzed why most people say this it'd be:
Because those 'other' people are causing my life to be worse than it is. When they are gone who is it next? Its the poor, or the gay people, or the muslims, or them or them or them. Those people over the border, are to blame too. I know how about a war. That's how it goes.

Its not everyone, sometimes you get a reason that holds up, like wanting laws that represent their own interests, rather than a different culture for example.

But for most people, it's taking their economic situation and blaming another person for it. Rather than the complex set of circumstances that brought it about: Poor people carrying rich people on their backs, globalization breaking down, and the need for all countries to ineffectively try to do more themselves, an increase in other spending sectors like the military instead of social programs, resource shortages, trading routes being riskier now due to more hostile shipping lanes, climate pressures forcing migration, hostilities forcing migration, overpopulation and people's willingness to do anything about it or even talk about it. Climate pressures and war increasing food prices. Worker shortages from migrants being discouraged, a lack of investment in fundamentals like infrastructure, schools going backward in their level of education due to a focus on dogmatic targets vs practical education, creating stupider people. Politicians themselves listen to conspiracy theories and try to base policy on it, rather than the real world. This focus on fantasy not reality is because of spending time forever online, rather than in real life. Social media burying important issues in meaningless personal drama. We could talk about aging populations, more cramped conditions, causing stress, or more frequent illness. Isolation is brought on by technology so people can't or don't want to even relate to each other, it's all cerebral not practical, let alone creating a want to cooperate to fix problems, whereas with in-person communication they are much more likely to reach a consensus.

I could go on listing reasons all day. Heck fresh water, something I never thought in my lifetime would become a competitive resource, now is. It's causing the death of countries like iraq, which causes migration, and that's not going to change as the planet dries up further, and more countries industrialize using dirty fuels. With people putting their hands in their ears and saying it's not happening, if I just close my eyes climate change, war, corporate greed, the demonization of socialism, and the 50 reasons I just listed, all the resulting conditions go away if I just blame someone else.

Let's blame migrants instead. Let's vote for a man who will ban migration. Great. Then what, we'll all feel better with the new enemy to focus on. Doing nothing whatsoever about the problems themselves.

Edited November 23, 2023 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

Maybe we'll get a few trains fast enough for commuting over borders, and filling jobs, without the need for permanent residence. Though England's has just gone over budget and been canned. 

[Jowblob]

15 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Banning the Quran and equating it with Mein Kampf is an insult to free speech.

Why does he not ban the Bible too?

I accept all religions since all religions try to lead to god even though they don't know god. But islam obviously limits freedom to people, thus limiting themselves in finding god. When i was young and in school or even outside the muslim kids were basically the only ones with bad behaviour and would bully/fight other kids, i think that's because of the limits religion puts on their parents thus lowering the overall consciousness. I'm against banning the quaran since it's just god in sheep clothes roleplaying.

[Hardkill]

Very sad. 

I hope the people of that country one day sorely regret this....