You want to tax the rich? Sign this petition (for EU-Citizen)

[Loving Radiance]

For all EU citizen on this forum, please sign this petition for higher taxation on extreme wealth.

Taxing great wealth to finance the ecological and social transition.

 

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Objective of the Petition:

• Address crises in the European Union: economic, social, health, geopolitical, environmental, etc.

Rationale for Change:

• Despite the EU's objective to promote well-being, combat social exclusion, and ensure social justice, there is a growing wealth gap and environmental issues.
• The wealthiest 1% owns almost half of the world's wealth and produces more CO2 emissions than the poorest half of the population.

Proposed Solution:

• Urgent redirection of the EU towards a just and democratic climate transition.
• Build on recent initiatives (Green Deal, RRF, SURE) by establishing a tax on great wealth to support ecological and social transition policies.

Supporting Evidence:

• Studies, including those by the World Inequality Lab, suggest that such a tax would expedite the fight against climate change and inequality.
• Calls from civil society, scientists, and over a hundred MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) for a progressive tax on extreme wealth.

Legislative Measures Proposed:

• Call on the European Commission to propose a directive on a European tax on great wealth.
• Propose an amendment to allow the tax to contribute to the EU's own resources.
• Allocate new funding from the wealth tax to support a just ecological and social transition through strengthening existing policies and funds.

Legal Bases and Coordination:

• Emphasize the need for common strategic approaches and coordinated action within the internal market to avoid fiscal competition and distortions.
• Highlight potential legal bases for these measures for cohesion policy, environment, employment and social policy, and development cooperation policy.

 

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Edited November 22, 2023 by Loving Radiance

[Sucuk Ekmek]

This utterly bs. You can't tax the one who is creating money.  

 

 

[Jowblob]

Tax the rich and they tax you by increasing the price

[Danioover9000]

@Sucuk Ekmek @Jowblob

3 hours ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

This utterly bs. You can't tax the one who is creating money.  

 

 

   This is true, given other developmental factors like Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, 9 stages of ego development, Integral Theory other lines of development from personal to societal domains, and ideological beliefs indoctrinated from culture, family structure and information ecology by the mainstream and establishment via news, social media, radio, TV, to manufacture consent and maintain mass hallucination of capitalism and neoliberalism, and other ideologies, informing and influencing our self biases and preferences towards such ideologies and engineering dogmatism to other ideologies.

2 hours ago, Jowblob said:

Tax the rich and they tax you by increasing the price

   Taxing the rich is much more complex than what socialists and Marxists have you believe. I'd be fine for taxing the rich, after you demonstrate to me how that policy won't be unilateral and effect other multi million corporations that are trying to better the world versus bother multi billion big businesses, to many local small businesses that won't be effected by the increased corporate tax by the left wing. Again typical stage green excesses having a collective shadow of and blaming and demonizing and dehumanizing stage orange and blue.

[Loving Radiance]

@Sucuk Ekmek it's about taxing people with extreme wealth, not banks.

@Jowblob Simplistic take.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

1 hour ago, Loving Radiance said:

@Sucuk Ekmek it's about taxing people with extreme wealth, not banks.

@Jowblob Simplistic take.

 This is where we think different. Extreme wealth owners and the central bank is the same thing, they go hand in hand. 

For an example if you guys really want to tax extreme wealth you need to quit using centralized FIAT currencies like dollar, euro etc.. Because you have no right on this moneys creation. Therefore it's imposible to posses these currencies. People need to come up with new economic models, specially decentralized ones.

Gaddafi tried to tax the  extreme wealth for just a tiny bit, didn't end up well for him, nobody cared.

Edit: Forgot to mention John F. Kennedy he tried as well. Nobody cared.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110

Edited November 24, 2023 by Sucuk Ekmek

[BlueOak]

9 hours ago, Jowblob said:

Tax the rich and they tax you by increasing the price

Then they don't get their product purchased. We are not quite in monopolies for industries yet.

[BlueOak]

7 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Sucuk Ekmek @Jowblob

   Taxing the rich is much more complex than what socialists and Marxists have you believe. I'd be fine for taxing the rich, after you demonstrate to me how that policy won't be unilateral and effect other multi million corporations that are trying to better the world versus bother multi billion big businesses, to many local small businesses that won't be effected by the increased corporate tax by the left wing. Again typical stage green excesses having a collective shadow of and blaming and demonizing and dehumanizing stage orange and blue.

Failing to tax people an appropriate amount is not a solution to helping anyone. It's made the world so lopsided its starting to tilt over.
That percentage the general public has shrinks every year. It's unsustainable by the nature of corporations to always need to take more. It has been for a long time and it has caused a great deal of suffering for a long time. 

For the rest, no shareholder is thinking how to make the world a better place. They think the company isn't making 10%, fire the director. Then the man at the top, is at their whims in decision making, just as much as any idealized character you want to assign to these personalities. Which are just people at the end of the day, who are very good at running a business or making/maintaining wealth. Not some great example of moral character to put on a pedastool necessarily making the world a better place, heck that's a stage green argument right there!

As for method. Its not hard to design something that accounts for relatively few corporate giants. Obviously income level and profitability are the prerequisites. Taking into account b2b / business-to-business trading, fees for physical commercial rates (someone needs to do this before we have no high street left), service or product pricing, and commercial fees or payouts for selling/marketing online - amazon/YouTube, using outsourced cheap foreign labor etc

The reason it's not hard to track how these costs are handled or who pays for them, is because the number of corporations to consider is relatively small, but it takes regulation and bureaucracy, the only thing that keeps power in check. It also takes a want from people for these things to exist, and that's only going to happen on mass when we hit absolute rock bottom suffering and pain. At this point its going to need to get really ugly.



 

Edited November 25, 2023 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

 This is where we think different. Extreme wealth owners and the central bank is the same thing, they go hand in hand. 

For an example if you guys really want to tax extreme wealth you need to quit using centralized FIAT currencies like dollar, euro etc.. Because you have no right on this moneys creation. Therefore it's imposible to posses these currencies. People need to come up with new economic models, specially decentralized ones.

Gaddafi tried to tax the  extreme wealth for just a tiny bit, didn't end up well for him, nobody cared.

Edit: Forgot to mention John F. Kennedy he tried as well. Nobody cared.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110

Individuals are vulnerable. A genuine want from the general public rarely goes away, even if it's misdirected for a time to hating someone/something or its ringleaders suppressed. That only lasts a while, then they run a patriotic let's back the homeland because we need to go bomb someone.

In times of growth people can get away with making things look better, putting lipstick on the pig because people get some crumbs, but when things naturally go the opposite way, all they can do is lie or say oh well there is nothing we can do, and by the way lets give the rich some tax cuts. They are doing a great job these days though saying 'oh don't worry things are great', 'Forget the higher prices you are paying for X', the mortgage to earnings bubble being higher than last time it went bang, prices are not higher at all, that energy and food price is nothing. Putting a dumb smile on a talking head with their thumbs up.

Then we end up with Argentina and everyone losing their minds, because their sense of reality was grounded in a fictional reality to begin with - Eh whatever.