If I am consciousness why do I sleep?

[Davino]

I have been years trying to find out what really happens with me when I sleep. However, not having come to any satisfactory revelation I am here asking if anyone has had any insight or direct experience on the nature of Deep Sleep. Why is Sleep even important? 

Well, let's imagine that you live 80 years. From those, you will spend 27 years sleeping. Wow 27 years? Are you not curious what is really going on with sleep?

On top of that, if you have awoken to consciousness, as your real nature and the nature of all that is, are you not puzzled about this unconscious sleeping mystery that takes out 1/3 of your human conventional life?

In my investigation I have come across many possible explanations and techniques.

• I've researched about the Turiyatita state, said to include and transcend the three main states of consciousness that are waking, dreaming and deep sleep and is ever constant in all. I've studied about Cessation. It explains that consciousness and unconsciousness are codependentely arising one from another and in a cessation you are getting blinked out of both. However, none of these I have been able to awaken to so far, and seem to miss the point about something so commonplace as sleeping.
• I've also reflected on consciousness being an Infinite Scale and deep sleep just being a lower graduation, waking state higher and an Awakening much higher. While this explanation has logical sense to me, it lacks the firm clarity and unshakeability of Truth and remains in a superficial level.
• I've also experimented with Yoga Nidra and conscious sleeping successfully, yet so what? Even though I can have the experience, sleep has already happened in me and is still happening. In the case I experienced conscious sleep for the rest of nights of my life, I know that deep sleep has happened for years in a row for me.
• I've also realized that I imagined sleep and I had never ever slept in my whole life. This while having the solid rock of Truth does not correlate to all states of consciousness and clearly not in every day life. I don't find myself in a state to claim I have never slept in my everyday life, precisely because I sleep every night and I wouldn't if it was the case. 

It also surprises me how little importance this topic is given, even Leo has rarely talked about it. Many here claim that all is consciousness: an Infinite Consciousness, yet every night they sleep and fall unconscious. That's like saying I am water and every night turning into fire. So then:

If I am consciousness why do I sleep?

 

 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

I have been years trying to find out what really happens with me when I sleep. However, not having come to any satisfactory revelation I am here asking if anyone has had any insight or direct experience on the nature of Deep Sleep. Why is Sleep even important? 

Well, let's imagine that you live 80 years. From those, you will spend 27 years sleeping. Wow 27 years? Are you not curious what is really going on with sleep?

On top of that, if you have awoken to consciousness, as your real nature and the nature of all that is, are you not puzzled about this unconscious sleeping mystery that takes out 1/3 of your human conventional life?

In my investigation I have come across many possible explanations and techniques.

• I've researched about the Turiyatita state, said to include and transcend the three main states of consciousness that are waking, dreaming and deep sleep and is ever constant in all. I've studied about Cessation. It explains that consciousness and unconsciousness are codependentely arising one from another and in a cessation you are getting blinked out of both. However, none of these I have been able to awaken to so far, and seem to miss the point about something so commonplace as sleeping.
• I've also reflected on consciousness being an Infinite Scale and deep sleep just being a lower graduation, waking state higher and an Awakening much higher. While this explanation has logical sense to me, it lacks the firm clarity and unshakeability of Truth and remains in a superficial level.
• I've also experimented with Yoga Nidra and conscious sleeping successfully, yet so what? Even though I can have the experience, sleep has already happened in me and is still happening. In the case I experienced conscious sleep for the rest of nights of my life, I know that deep sleep has happened for years in a row for me.
• I've also realized that I imagined sleep and I had never ever slept in my whole life. This while having the solid rock of Truth does not correlate to all states of consciousness and clearly not in every day life. I don't find myself in a state to claim I have never slept in my everyday life, precisely because I sleep every night and I wouldn't if it was the case. 

It also surprises me how little importance this topic is given, even Leo has rarely talked about it. Many here claim that all is consciousness: an Infinite Consciousness, yet every night they sleep and fall unconscious. That's like saying I am water and every night turning into fire. So then:

If I am consciousness why do I sleep?

 

 

It's just a different state of consciousness.   There is no unconsciousness but a lot of time when you are dreaming you just don't remember what you dreamed.  It's really not complicated.   Reality itself is just a giant dream- and right now you don't remember how many different forms you took in the past because there is no past other than memories which are just thoughts that can be wiped.  That's scary but also liberating.   Would you really want to hold onto the memories of an eternity?  Probably not.   Would definitely cause a  case of PTSD.  So you remember some of your dreams at night but not all.  

Edited November 22, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Davino]

@Inliytened1 I don't think I understood you correctly.

Are you saying that there is no deep sleep and all night long we are dreaming but when we wake up we have no memory about that?

Or are you saying that even sleep is a state of consciousness? 

Could you please clarify what did you really mean? This is important for me, your help would be very much appreciated

[Inliytened1]

21 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Inliytened1 I don't think I understood you correctly.

Are you saying that there is no deep sleep and all night long we are dreaming but when we wake up we have no memory about that?

 

Sleep is designed within this dream to rest and recuperate the body.  But really what we call REM sleep is really just a state of consciousness.   Since there is no unconsciousnesa then yes - you are dreaming all the time, both waking and sleeping, you just dont always remember.  Ever put your keys away but later forget where you put them?  Dreaming at night is no different.   You walked for the first time at maybe age 2 or 3...do you remember any of that?  But you did experience it at the time.  But notice in the Absolute sense time is imaginary, as is the past.  So there is only this present moment now.  So In a sense it never happened.  Its paradoxical.  But when you lay your head down to dream, you are experiencing whatever you are conscious of in that moment.  

Edited November 22, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

@Davino  

The reality is this now, it always is. In this a chain of events seems to occur, but there is always awareness of existence. If there ceases to be consciousness, there ceases to be reality, therefore that period of time is non-existent, it is a time jump. Time is a construction of the cosmos and is plastic. You can jump a few hours into the future if you inject propofol, but whether it is the future is just a mental idea, from your mind that measures time. If you didn't measure it, there would simply have been a continuity in the consciousness of existing with a sudden change in the scenery.

[Sempiternity]

Everything happens within consciousness. Nothing can exist outside of consciousness. Consciousness is all that there is. If it isn't being experienced, it does not exist. Consciousness can only exist Now. Now is whatever consciousness is imagining. So whatever Now is is a state of consciousness. 'Dreaming/sleep' is consciousness imagining. Simple as that. 

[The0Self]

The body sleeps. You are consciousness. And while asleep, there is not a cessation of consciousness, just a cessation of memory imprinting. When there’s a cessation of consciousness, like with anesthesia or some meditative phenomena, there is no feeling of having slept for a time, there is simply the sense of having “teleported” or instantaneously time-travelled to the moment you are in like no time has passed from your perspective. If you were under deep anesthesia for millions of years it would be the same — no time passed from your perspective, you just would suddenly be millions of years in the future relative to where you were. It’s not the same with sleep.

Sleep simply is required for some repairs on the brain to take place and keep it working properly, for perhaps mostly unknown but possibly knowable biological reasons.

Edited November 22, 2023 by The0Self

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, Davino said:

Could you please clarify what did you really mean? This is important for me, your help would be very much appreciated

I could also ask why this girl I like didn’t text me all day. What is the meaning of this?? It’s pissing me off, as we used to text every single day. 

It’s important for me to know, but like many things, are best to let go of needing to figure out.

Maybe she is sleeping as I post this reply.

[An young being]

It could entirely be possible that awareness existed within the entirety of sleep, but not registered in memory. This could simply be proved or disproved by studying whether memory functions as a recording tool during deep sleep. I would suggest you to look for such research materials if you are curious.I was, but couldn't find any.

[The0Self]

4 minutes ago, An young being said:

It could entirely be possible that awareness existed within the entirety of sleep, but not registered in memory. This could simply be proved or disproved by studying whether memory functions as a recording tool during deep sleep. I would suggest you to look for such research materials if you are curious.I was, but couldn't find any.

It does, and can be confirmed first-hand with a great amount of mindfulness, and a comparison with how it feels to come out of anesthesia.

[Yimpa]

If I am consciousness why do I __________________?

You can literally will in the blank with anything.

And the answer can be anything. That’s why it’s God!

[An young being]

1 hour ago, The0Self said:

It does, and can be confirmed first-hand with a great amount of mindfulness, and a comparison with how it feels to come out of anesthesia.

Can you explain how it is possible to confirm it with mindfulness? I haven't explored anaesthetics in detail, but it's an interesting phenomenon as well.

Regarding memories during sleep, awareness can be independent of memory, but having no memory during sleep simply proves that it cannot be rejected by scientific community that awareness is absent during sleep. But it is impossible to prove it the other way around  scientifically as well.

[Yimpa]

@An young being perhaps study a bit about lucid dreaming. That may give you some insight.

 

[An young being]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

@An young being perhaps study a bit about lucid dreaming. That may give you some insight.

 

Yeah, lucid dreaming is a fascinating world on its own. I bought a book on lucid dreaming to dwell deeper into dreams, but my intuition  tells me to wait for that experience for some more time. I have a habit of keeping the best for the last anyways. But, I had a short period where I had intense highly realistic and detailed dreams where sometimes I had control and the other times the control I felt was just an illusion or I had no control at all. But it was enjoyable with or without control. I think yoga nidra helps to experience and remember such dreams. 

[The0Self]

9 hours ago, An young being said:

Can you explain how it is possible to confirm it with mindfulness? I haven't explored anaesthetics in detail, but it's an interesting phenomenon as well.

Regarding memories during sleep, awareness can be independent of memory, but having no memory during sleep simply proves that it cannot be rejected by scientific community that awareness is absent during sleep. But it is impossible to prove it the other way around  scientifically as well.

Can’t really be explained, precisely because it’s directly observable. Just because there’s no discernible memory register going on doesn’t mean there’s absolutely nothing of the sort to the point where you can’t even sense that you just slept for a long/short time — you can do that. But with deep anesthesia it feels very different, like an abrupt lurch forward that isn’t really a lurch because it’s more like the frames of reality when you were out simply didn’t happen for you.

Edited November 23, 2023 by The0Self

[Davino]

20 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

whether it is the future is just a mental idea, from your mind that measures time. If you didn't measure it, there would simply have been a continuity in the consciousness of existing with a sudden change in the scenery.

@Breakingthewall Wow that is exactly so. I have also reflected about what you are saying but you provided the missing pieces that I was lacking.

 

15 hours ago, Yimpa said:

It’s important for me to know, but like many things, are best to let go of needing to figure out.

Maybe she is sleeping as I post this reply.

What if I don't want to let go? What if you don't want to let it go? Can we choose to let go of things? Or do things let go of us? Tricky stuff, yet just playing with you. I get you and in fact I wanted to also let it go but it was to much of a hole in my understanding of reality to let it go, maybe you love her too much also to let her go and want to play your best game with her.

 

12 hours ago, The0Self said:

It does, and can be confirmed first-hand with a great amount of mindfulness, and a comparison with how it feels to come out of anesthesia.

Could you give any advise in someone trying to replicate what you have verified for yourself?

 

10 hours ago, Yimpa said:

If I am consciousness why do I __________________?

You can literally will in the blank with anything.

And the answer can be anything. That’s why it’s God!

I am actually going through an interesting proccess of posing this question to everything. If I am God why I procrastinate? If I am God why do I eat? If I am God why do I behave, think and feel like a limited human? 

In this way, I'm trying to ground all my human capabilities in service of who I am, Reality itself, Existence itself. I am not saying anymore how can I be consciousness if I sleep. Now I say, how can I sleep if I am consciousness. You see this subtle importante change in your framing of reality. I suffer so much, how can i be God? No... I am God, how can I suffer so much?  I am God, how can I be so unconsciuous, so selfish..? Like this I am flipping all myself inside out to see what remains after this proccess is completed.

 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, The0Self said:

Can’t really be explained, precisely because it’s directly observable. Just because there’s no discernible memory register going on doesn’t mean there’s absolutely nothing of the sort to the point where you can’t even sense that you just slept for a long/short time — you can do that. But with deep anesthesia it feels very different, like an abrupt lurch forward that isn’t really a lurch because it’s more like the frames of reality when you were out simply didn’t happen for you.

But isn't that reality you are spawned into after awakening? In one the spawning is like the frames where there, in the other it seems like it wasn't there. Yet in both it is a continuum reality that configures in that way. Meaning that, actually consciousness did not cease but what you are conscious of right now is that, consciousness tricked and imagined itself to cease. I think this could be accurate and also links it with imagination.

[Yimpa]

18 minutes ago, Davino said:

I wanted to also let it go but it was to much of a hole in my understanding of reality to let it go

You’ll be playing an endless game of Whac-A-Mole.

And that’s wack. Notice how you are creating this very moment right now.

[ivankiss]

The body and the mind might be asleep, resting... but consciousness never sleeps.

[Hojo]

You are there you are just staring at the back of your eyelids. Your eyes don't turn off you enter meditation state but you forget you are there because you are not conscious to see that you are just meditating. 

You just forget you exist and enter no thinking. When you don't think you are there you literally are not there until the next time you think you are there. The trick is to stop thinking you are there ever again.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Hojo