Collapse the irrational and the rational

[Razard86]

God is discovered by the irrational, but they cannot explain, God is resisted by the rational because God cannot be explained. You must become irrational, and master irrationality so well you become rational, you must become so rational you become irrational. And thus you will be able to collapse the duality and explain that which cannot be explained. All of life has taught you this, if only you open your eyes. 

 

^^^And yes I am being cryptic and mystic now because I notice you don't want direct pointers, you want to investigate for yourself so investigate to your hearts content and get lost if you will. LOL.

[Schizophonia]

Can you give concrete examples? It's difficult to see where you're going with this without at least a little visual basis. 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Schizophonia

[deci belle]

The OP is already where it's at. The application of this wonderful mysticality is actually in everyday ordinary situations, but that's not what mr mystical is conveying here.

Since god doesn't exist, would the topic starter please endeavor to offer an example of an application of this wonderfulness in REAL terms?

…just kidding, hehe.

The OP isn't going anywhere, because it can't move from the spot, being a far cry from authentic transcendence, in my estimation.

If you know but you can't apply it; act on it; it's the same as not knowing. Sad, but true.

 

[Razard86]

4 hours ago, deci belle said:

The OP is already where it's at. The application of this wonderful mysticality is actually in everyday ordinary situations, but that's not what mr mystical is conveying here.

Since god doesn't exist, would the topic starter please endeavor to offer an example of an application of this wonderfulness in REAL terms?

…just kidding, hehe.

The OP isn't going anywhere, because it can't move from the spot, being a far cry from authentic transcendence, in my estimation.

If you know but you can't apply it; act on it; it's the same as not knowing. Sad, but true.

 

You can only see what you are. Because everything is just a projection, a reflection of an interpretation. It is what it is.

[Parallax Mind]

21 hours ago, Razard86 said:

God is discovered by the irrational, but they cannot explain, God is resisted by the rational because God cannot be explained. You must become irrational, and master irrationality so well you become rational, you must become so rational you become irrational. And thus you will be able to collapse the duality and explain that which cannot be explained. All of life has taught you this, if only you open your eyes. 

Life is trippy for sure, 

It's irrational to think that life is rational. Especially scientists claim the universe is a made of atoms that create the world around us AT COMPLETE RANDOM. If the universe is random and arbitrary then it can't be logical.

Does this also coincide with what you are talking about and is it a valid point?

[Razard86]

43 minutes ago, Parallax Mind said:

Life is trippy for sure, 

It's irrational to think that life is rational. Especially scientists claim the universe is a made of atoms that create the world around us AT COMPLETE RANDOM. If the universe is random and arbitrary then it can't be logical.

Does this also coincide with what you are talking about and is it a valid point?

Yes, random=Unable to compute it. For example casinos use random number generators, but its not actually random its computed, but the equations are so complex if you cannot unravel the complexity it will appear as random. So us humans believe in luck and random because of the limitations of our intelligence/creativity/imagination and this is why Science has such a controversial relationship with mysticism.

Many mystics could not speak the language of Science in a way that dispelled the mystery. Now Science is starting to merge with Mysticism, this next generation of Scientists are going to work with the new emerging model of Consciousness that says that Consciousness is all there is and it is a mystical/magical appearance which cannot be bound by any particular frame/reference point.

^^^To put it simple, we collectively need to understand that irrationality needs to exist, because it needs to be free to be constructed in an unlimited way. Think of irrationality as a bunch of lego blocks scattered on the floor, and rationality as you constructing/building a house with those blocks. First it was irrational= Those blocks have no meaning, they are just scattered we cannot derive any use from it. Then we construct a house, well now we HAVE SOMETHING. We can put people inside, a couch, a table, etc.

Humans are addicted to rationality=survival bias=need for control. Irrationality they will tell you....oh its frivolous, it doesn't serve any purpose. LOL. You see? This is where everything goes wrong. They are BOTH important!!! How do we know....because they are here!!! If something is here...it is inherently of EQUAL VALUE!!!! If you think something is greater or lesser....you are just being rational and looking for functionality.

 

^^^^^SEEE. Simple huh? But it can also be deep!!!

[Dazgwny]

@Razard86 hey man chill out😂 you’ve been on a mission for like 6 months or something 😂 I’m sure Leo must be sat there watching his forum thinking fuckin hell, idiocy all this😂 this place has gone crazy😂😂😂

Chill man 👍🏻😂

[deci belle]

Yawn… your trip, mr Razard, is still on the short end. — and yes, you have turned into the veritable troll. Have you no discretion?

Would you mind reeling in your trip just a bit? I wanted to see your response before judging the level of your relative accomplishment.

Taoism states that the first trip is short and the second trip is long. It is obvious you are still on the short trip, so don't screw it up.

Why is the first trip short? Because it has an end. When it does, it ends in the beginningless. When it does, it won't be you, in fact. That's why I said god doesn't exist. There is no thing, awareness is selfless, nonbeing's potential is nonoriginated, and reality hovers in stillness on the cusp of going into action in perpetuity. Then we bring it back and endeavor to eliminate all traces of enlightenment in order to adapt potential to conditions.

How is that? Since potential is inherent in situational karmic evolution (conditions) by virtue of the essence of Creation, it is only necessary to turn the light of ego-consciousness around to point on its source, which is selfless. This is reversal, in terms of alchemy. In doing so, the scene before our eyes looks the same, but it is no longer seen in terms of the person. When this perspective is stabilized, one no longer acts in terms of the person; one's acts are resolved within the realm of potential itself. This is transcendence from within the temporal, by virtue of the essence of the temporal (Creation).

That is, the essence of Creation is nonorigination. Therefore, reality and delusion look exactly the same, because they ARE the same. It's all a matter of seeing. Spiritual adepts see; ordinary people don't see.

Now, as far as the OP's statement, I want to quickly follow up and say that this is absolutely correct. In alchemic terms, when heaven and earth fuse, there is a reversion to perpetual nonorigination. This is the vessel outside of time, which spiritual adepts can use to transcend the laws of Creation from within Creation. Such "subtle adaption" is carried out from within the context of ordinary situations by virtue of karma's essential nature, which is enlightenment.

Doing so by virtue of reality itself is the meaning of the buddhist teaching of suchness; no different than the taoist teaching of complete reality. This is entry into the inconceivable. The long trip. The long trip is the one without end.

You have a looooong way to go on the short trip, mr mystical, but you seem to be good to go❤︎ I doubt you'll ever PM me…