Anyone caught on the SSSniperwolf and Jacksfilms situation?

[Juan]

1 hour ago, bebotalk said:

Why didn't she then start a channel dissing HIM? that would have been a proportionate thing.

That is a childish and unnecessary move. Since we are adults, they could just chat or have a call but I believe she din’t cared at all until Jacksfilm began to make content of her and start going viral.

Anyways I think we could locked this thread already since we made our points clear. 

[Danioover9000]

@bebotalk

2 hours ago, bebotalk said:

Not all forms of harm are equal nor are quantifiable. I respect your view but I do not agree.  Her act in going to his house imho was distinct from him posting vids about her. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially wrongs of equal severity or nature. Doxxing is legal given the circumstances, so I don't see the connection nor relevance of your point. I stand by my view, and I respect your view. My view aligns with that of Moist Critical, whom you posted.  You're essentially saying "he harmed him, so she can harm him back!!" I don't think any harm is justified by an initial attack.

 

 To reiterate, I am not justifying her actions of doxxing him, nor am I justifying his actions of smear campaigning her career choices. Both are very immature in this situation. I can agree not all forms of harm are equal nor quantifiable, as I said it's potentiality of harm of Dooxing versus potential of YT Channel falsely hating and critiquing you, it's in the actualization of those harms that we could discern the equality or differences of hierarchy of harm. For example, if you're whole career is YT, and I dedicate a YT Channel hating and critiquing you, and contribute to your slower growth because I'm influencing your future potential customers to not subscribe or follow you, how is that actualizing harm a lesser harm than doxxing, which almost nobody have taken action towards JakeFilms and his family, merely just sending hate mails to them?

   Say, from two potentialities, of him acting on posting hateful videos of SSSniperwolf, to SSSniperwolf acting on arriving at his location in real life and doxxing his address and house, comparing the two actualized actions and harms, yes I'd partly agree that her action could have greater more direct harm versus his action of posting hate videos about her and effecting her potential future viewers and followers, which is indirect harm. I don't know, to me intuitionally JakeFilm's actions being indirect and subtle harm to her followers is greeter in danger as that's him effecting her income earnings. I am not aware of any other harm that effected JakeFilms from the doxxing, as nobody has taken real world action to harass him or his family yet, other than hate mail.

   I have to take MoistCritical's opinion with salt because of this:

   Doxxing being legal or not is important, if it's legal then JakeFilms can't legally sue her, if it's illegal he can. 

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

2 hours ago, Juan said:

@Danioover9000 Doxxing is worse than whatever Jacksfilms has done. What do you prefer? People know your address and put your family on danger or people criticize you on the internet? 

  Had you studied what Jacksfilms has done bro? He din’t manipulate any opinion of her, he just did a bingo game confirming that her reactions has no dept, it’s all repetitive and doesn’t credit the creators of the video she reacts so she is making easy money. What SSSniperwolf did is very immature.

   If doxxing was not actualized, how do you know doxxing is worse than what JakeFilms has done? How is dedicating a YT Channel attacking and hating on SSSniperwolf, influencing her poll of future viewers and followers, reducing her potential followers, and going viral in attacking SSSniperwolf, less harmful than doxxing?

   I already granted that if they both communicated and talked out their disputes then the situation could have resolved. However, when JakeFilms dedicates an entire YT Channel to hating her, how are both going to negotiate a compromise if JakeFilms demands her to stop ripping off Tik Tok shorts, which makes up a good chunk of her income? If SSSniperwolf demands JakeFilms to take down that entire YT Channel joking and critiquing her, would he do it? 

16 minutes ago, Juan said:

That is a childish and unnecessary move. Since we are adults, they could just chat or have a call but I believe she din’t cared at all until Jacksfilm began to make content of her and start going viral.

Anyways I think we could locked this thread already since we made our points clear. 

   Again, how is JakeFilms any less guilty than SSSniperwolf for attacking her career choice and going viral for atacking her? Seems like the potential range of harm is greaters than mere doxxing.

[Danioover9000]

@bebotalk

2 hours ago, bebotalk said:

Why didn't she then start a channel dissing HIM? that would have been a proportionate thing. and he'd have no way to dispute this. Doxxing is a different level. Moist Critical was based in his analysis. Not all acts are equal. Not all wrongs or harms are equal. 

   I actually agree with her dissing him back, and even making a dedicated YT Channel attacking HIM as long as he keeps making critiques and hateful videos of her. Justifiable here. Also agree that Penguinz0 is based as he's also benefiting from ripping off content being a reactor in a react community that normalizes theft of content.

[Buck Edwards]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@bebotalk

   I actually agree with her dissing him back, and even making a dedicated YT Channel attacking HIM as long as he keeps making critiques and hateful videos of her. Justifiable here. Also agree that Penguinz0 is based as he's also benefiting from ripping off content being a reactor in a react community that normalizes theft of content.

Just because somebody does something bad, doesn't mean that we should follow their example. If someone was stealing from my lunch box, should I start doing the same to them? What if I feel uncomfortable losing my morals that way? 

What If I don't feel okay doing it? 

You're thinking on the lines of an eye for an eye but lots of people don't like to stoop down to other's level. Take that into account. 

[Danioover9000]

@Buck Edwards

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

Just because somebody does something bad, doesn't mean that we should follow their example. If someone was stealing from my lunch box, should I start doing the same to them? What if I feel uncomfortable losing my morals that way? 

What If I don't feel okay doing it? 

You're thinking on the lines of an eye for an eye but lots of people don't like to stoop down to other's level. Take that into account. 

   What's the alternative for her? Ignore JakeFilms when JakeFilms dedicates one Channel to misinformation and propaganda attacks on her? Yes, granted the premise of that whole Channel is to critic her way of life and her ripping off Tik Tok videos, yet this begs the question if he should have done this knowing that she will backlash against him later? Again. what's your refutation for him influencing potential viewers and subs away from her, thus reducing her potential monetization, reducing her income? How would you feel if you knew someone is reducing your way of life, income and salary?

   What if the other side sees your hesitation as silent compliance for their harmful behavior? What if SSSniperwolf's silence and ignoring him okays his attacks on her, and her silence causes her more suffering via reducing followers and viewers in the future?

   In another context, if someone stole your lunch, you should steal theirs or defend yourself and call out that behavior that infringes on your boundaries, that's justifiable. if there are other actions to take to mitigate or avoid putting yourself in situations of lunch theft, do so, otherwise when that theft happens you better prepare to steal back. Of course, in this hypothetical SSSniperwolf's action would be that if you stole lunch from her, and she steals 80% of your food stored and destroys your farm. If propaganda, criticism and hating via YT Channel is stealing lunch, then doxxing is to steal food stores and destroy the farm houses, yes SSSniperwolf's action did escalate the situation, am not arguing specifically this nor justifying it, but how would she have dealt with the lunch theft better, when her livelihood is on the line?

   I'm thinking along the lines of what's the default action here. Not many people would take the pacifist route if such a path leads to more suffering and okaying JakeFilm's behaviors. Most people are actually okay with a tit for tat approach because 75-80% of the world is still staunch stage blue societies, with simpler cognitive and moral development of binary and absolutist framing, even though there's diversity in personality types/traits, ego development and other lines of development. I'd rather get people to tit for tat and enforce their boundaries, than escalate. In an alternative path SSSniperwolf should have tit for tat, and keep warning JakeFilms of his aggression onto her boundary. If he keeps making those videos that attack her, she should do the same. What she shouldn't have done is escalate which now makes more people go against her and pity JakeFilms more. 

[Buck Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

What's the alternative for her? Ignore JakeFilms when JakeFilms dedicates one Channel to misinformation and propaganda attacks on her? Yes, granted the premise of that whole Channel is to critic her way of life and her ripping off Tik Tok videos, yet this begs the question if he should have done this knowing that she will backlash against him later? Again. what's your refutation for him influencing potential viewers and subs away from her, thus reducing her potential monetization, reducing her income? How would you feel if you knew someone is reducing your way of life, income and salary?

I think the right thing here is for YouTube to step in and make new rules that making an entire channel designed to harass or diss another YouTube creator should be against guidelines and be bannable offense. Finish. It's not okay what Jacksfilms did. It's not okay to doxx. YouTube failed both of them. And both were wrong. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Buck Edwards

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

4 hours ago, Juan said:

That is a childish and unnecessary move. Since we are adults, they could just chat or have a call but I believe she din’t cared at all until Jacksfilm began to make content of her and start going viral.

Anyways I think we could locked this thread already since we made our points clear. 

   To be clear, it's not 'I' think 'we' could lock this thread. You don't get to decide if this thread is locked, @Leo Gura, @Sincerity, @Carl-Richard and other moderators have the authority, not you. Don't band wagon fallacy users here and assume we share your views exactly, some don't.

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Danioover9000 said:

@Juan

   To be clear, it's not 'I' think 'we' could lock this thread. You don't get to decide if this thread is locked, @Leo Gura, @Sincerity, @Carl-Richard and other moderators have the authority, not you. Don't band wagon fallacy users here and assume we share your views exactly, some don't.

Yea this was right. I don't appreciate when someone acts like a backseat moderator lol. Well done for calling out. 

[Danioover9000]

@Buck Edwards

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

Yea this was right. I don't appreciate when someone acts like a backseat moderator lol. Well done for calling out. 

   Yes, I don't want to derail but that user has always been trolling me here and bringing the quality of discourse down even when I ignore.

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 25/11/2023 at 5:02 PM, Danioover9000 said:

   Also, to not defend SSSniperwolf's actions or justify, to clarify, she's a part of a deeper systemic issue going on, of content theft online, that hundreds of others before her committed, and hundreds after her will commit. In fact Penquinz0, Asmongold, XQC, Destiny, and many other big name social media creators part of the react community are part of this massively growing problem:

    To me, this systemic issue in comparison to SSSniperwolf stealing Tik Tok content, the systemic issue is far deeper and more important and impactful to address, yet nobody does so because of the multipolar trap and Moloch as described by Daniel Schmachtenberger and others like him. Nobody wants to raise the alarm bells of a potentially negative action when the majority and society are mass hallucinating and are benefiting from this Game A dynamic. 

Basically Asmondgold strategy is the Cucobird survival strategy,or like a parasite living in your gut. And if the ecosystem allows it to be alive what one can do about it?

[Sincerity]

We'll keep the thread open for discussion.

I don't know what all this is about but from a first glance it looks petty and unserious. Don't spend too much attention on such shit, it rots You.

Also no one should make dedicated channels for attacking someone back or whatever. Don't let yourself fall and wrestle with someone in the mud, being grounded in your energy & sticking to your values is always better. This prevails, in contrast to hostility and pettiness.

[Buck Edwards]

7 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

We'll keep the thread open for discussion.

I don't know what all this is about but from a first glance it looks petty and unserious. Don't spend too much attention on such shit, it rots You.

Also no one should make dedicated channels for attacking someone back or whatever. Don't let yourself fall and wrestle with someone in the mud, being grounded in your energy & sticking to your values is always better. This prevails, in contrast to hostility and pettiness.

Totally. 

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

1 hour ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Basically Asmondgold strategy is the Cucobird survival strategy,or like a parasite living in your gut. And if the ecosystem allows it to be alive what one can do about it?

   There are probably hundreds of specific ways to deal with this, but generally just calling out such a dynamic is a start.

[Danioover9000]

@Sincerity

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

We'll keep the thread open for discussion.

I don't know what all this is about but from a first glance it looks petty and unserious. Don't spend too much attention on such shit, it rots You.

Also no one should make dedicated channels for attacking someone back or whatever. Don't let yourself fall and wrestle with someone in the mud, being grounded in your energy & sticking to your values is always better. This prevails, in contrast to hostility and pettiness.

   True.

[bebotalk]

21 hours ago, Juan said:

That is a childish and unnecessary move. Since we are adults, they could just chat or have a call but I believe she din’t cared at all until Jacksfilm began to make content of her and start going viral.

Anyways I think we could locked this thread already since we made our points clear. 

That's part of streamer/content creator culture. He would have no case to complain. If he did, then he's a pussy and has no place in the content creation space. 

 

[Juan]

19 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

You're thinking on the lines of an eye for an eye

  Agree. If you were really compassionate and high value awareness, just chat or have a call, the drama is just a waste of time and energy, you know, like a normal adult. 

18 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   To be clear, it's not 'I' think 'we' could lock this thread. You don't get to decide if this thread is locked

  All of us could be involved on a unnecessary drama or subject that is not contributing any positively to the forum, this is not rocket science. Obviously I don’t get to decide but we already made our points clear, that’s it, but you’re someone who seems to enjoy a lot to debating others so I won’t waste my time. If you can’t see the fact that doxxing is way a lot worse than what Jack did, idk man you have to either heal some and raise your awareness. Jack just did a bingo of her, he is not calling her names and such, so that was his way of calling her out since reaching her wasn’t working. 

17 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Yes, I don't want to derail but that user has always been trolling me here and bringing the quality of discourse down even when I ignore.

  I don’t troll dude, I said things pretty straight forward, read again my responses or do a “body lenguage study” of me like you tend to talk a lot “professionally”. You’re just butthurt that I called you out so many times in the past but whatever. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Juan

[Danioover9000]

@bebotalk

2 hours ago, bebotalk said:

That's part of streamer/content creator culture. He would have no case to complain. If he did, then he's a pussy and has no place in the content creation space. 

 

   Something needs to be done about the streamer/content creator culture, it's almost as bad as the mental health issues increased by social media nowadays. That part of the internet needs a lot more regulation.

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

1 hour ago, Juan said:

  Agree. If you were really compassionate and high value awareness, just chat or have a call, the drama is just a waste of time and energy, you know, like a normal adult. 

  All of us could be involved on a unnecessary drama or subject that is not contributing any positively to the forum, this is not rocket science. Obviously I don’t get to decide but we already made our points clear, that’s it, but you’re someone who seems to enjoy a lot to debating others so I won’t waste my time. If you can’t see the fact that doxxing is way a lot worse than what Jack did, idk man you have to either heal some and raise your awareness. Jack just did a bingo of her, he is not calling her names and such, so that was his way of calling her out since reaching her wasn’t working. 

  I don’t troll dude, I said things pretty straight forward, read again my responses or do a “body lenguage study” of me like you tend to talk a lot “professionally”. You’re just butthurt that I called you out so many times in the past but whatever. 

   Okay bra. You do trolling, and sipping Tik Tok Kool Aid. You keep to you, and me to me, so leave me alone and stop derailing this thread and instigating heated discourse bud.

[Dauntment]

%0.00 awareness of this horseshit, awareness of bullshit like this is almost enraging (though always composed)