Anyone caught on the SSSniperwolf and Jacksfilms situation?

[Buck Edwards]

So the latest story doing the rounds is of Jacksfilms being doxxed by SSSniperwolf. And she getting away with it. It has opened a can of worms on the whole subject of react content and content robbery on YouTube. Not crediting people who you take video clips from etc. 

Penguinz0 has a take on it. 

 

[bebotalk]

I see her as the major negative party.

Yes, her vids on her were cringe. However, it was mild in terms of internet harassment. 

This didn't warrant going to his home and asking to "talk".

She got off way too lightly, and Google/Youtube were way too lenient on her. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Buck Edwards

On 2023-11-20 at 9:59 PM, Buck Edwards said:

So the latest story doing the rounds is of Jacksfilms being doxxed by SSSniperwolf. And she getting away with it. It has opened a can of worms on the whole subject of react content and content robbery on YouTube. Not crediting people who you take video clips from etc. 

Penguinz0 has a take on it. 

 

   Yes, while I agree that SSSniperwolf was ripping off tik tok content and doing some content theft, my perspective on Jakesfilm creating another YouTube Channel dedicating to coitizing and borderline hating on SSSniperwolf. I've been in YT long enough that most content makers and reactors, who figured out what content they want, if they have a problem for example related to Logan Paul and his situation, that YT person makes a react video or response video, give their critique and comment, AND THEN return to their main content making type. When I heard Jakesfilm make a Channel to just critique SSSniperwolf it's too much, which ended up creating this cycle of hatred and back and forth, a mini Ukraine/Russia conflict or even a mini Israel/Palestine conflict between then, and finally in this back and forth SSSniperwolf felt she needed to escalate and stop Jakesfilm annoying commentary and critiquing of her by doxxing him and his wife's location.  So, for this specific situation, while I don't agree and disagree with SSSniperwolf's actions and her copying and stealing Tik Tok content, I also disagree with how Jakesfilm chose to handle and escalate on his end prior, when he chose to make a YT Channel attacking SSSniperwolf. I think both are being immature with this whole situation.

   I hope both grow up, go their separate ways, and at least one takes the mature path and continue their LP. I hope Jakesfilm goes back to figuring out his existence on planet earth and better his LP, and SSSniperwolf grows out of her stealing content and start making some original content. Hope both learn their lessons here. 

[Danioover9000]

11 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Buck Edwards

   Yes, while I agree that SSSniperwolf was ripping off tik tok content and doing some content theft, my perspective on Jakesfilm creating another YouTube Channel dedicating to coitizing and borderline hating on SSSniperwolf. I've been in YT long enough that most content makers and reactors, who figured out what content they want, if they have a problem for example related to Logan Paul and his situation, that YT person makes a react video or response video, give their critique and comment, AND THEN return to their main content making type. When I heard Jakesfilm make a Channel to just critique SSSniperwolf it's too much, which ended up creating this cycle of hatred and back and forth, a mini Ukraine/Russia conflict or even a mini Israel/Palestine conflict between then, and finally in this back and forth SSSniperwolf felt she needed to escalate and stop Jakesfilm annoying commentary and critiquing of her by doxxing him and his wife's location.  So, for this specific situation, while I don't agree and disagree with SSSniperwolf's actions and her copying and stealing Tik Tok content, I also disagree with how Jakesfilm chose to handle and escalate on his end prior, when he chose to make a YT Channel attacking SSSniperwolf. I think both are being immature with this whole situation.

   I hope both grow up, go their separate ways, and at least one takes the mature path and continue their LP. I hope Jakesfilm goes back to figuring out his existence on planet earth and better his LP, and SSSniperwolf grows out of her stealing content and start making some original content. Hope both learn their lessons here. 

   Also, to not defend SSSniperwolf's actions or justify, to clarify, she's a part of a deeper systemic issue going on, of content theft online, that hundreds of others before her committed, and hundreds after her will commit. In fact Penquinz0, Asmongold, XQC, Destiny, and many other big name social media creators part of the react community are part of this massively growing problem:

    To me, this systemic issue in comparison to SSSniperwolf stealing Tik Tok content, the systemic issue is far deeper and more important and impactful to address, yet nobody does so because of the multipolar trap and Moloch as described by Daniel Schmachtenberger and others like him. Nobody wants to raise the alarm bells of a potentially negative action when the majority and society are mass hallucinating and are benefiting from this Game A dynamic. 

[Raze]

It’s massively hypocritical for all these YouTubers to say she needs to be deplatformed for this when they cheered and celebrated this exact same thing being done to Onision by Chris Hanson.

[Buck Edwards]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

I think both are being immature with this whole situation.

Exactly. I have no fucking clue why they are promoting Jackfilms behavior. YouTube creator reaction to this laughable immature fiasco was totally appropriate in my opinion. 

[bebotalk]

On 25/11/2023 at 5:17 PM, Raze said:

It’s massively hypocritical for all these YouTubers to say she needs to be deplatformed for this when they cheered and celebrated this exact same thing being done to Onision by Chris Hanson.

Onison was an alleged child-predator. 

[bebotalk]

I can empathise in part with her being upset. But doxxing is taking things to a new level. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@bebotalk

2 hours ago, bebotalk said:

I can empathise in part with her being upset. But doxxing is taking things to a new level. 

 

   I'd argue making an entire YT Channel hating and critiquing one person is just as bad, if not worse as every video made in that Channel gets the algorithm to recommend that to viewers, which influences her potential viewers she could have gained to be much less, reputational damage so to speak, so I get her frustration. Doesn't justify her ripping off Tik Tok shorts, but she's human and a person found out a big name YT Channel is targeting you and hating on you and joking about you as one whole Channel I'd feel pissed, like stop scary away my future customers.

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

On 2023-11-25 at 5:17 PM, Raze said:

It’s massively hypocritical for all these YouTubers to say she needs to be deplatformed for this when they cheered and celebrated this exact same thing being done to Onision by Chris Hanson.

   Sure although Onision is a bit worse than SSSniperwolf. All honesty I get why she'd dox Jakefilms and how she'd be feeling, but there are better ways to handle Jakefilms, like reporting every video that slanders her for misinformation, misleading titles and thumbnails, or other infractions she could use against him. Another would simply be ignore him, but that's risky becuase there's mounting PR damage and reputation lost if he's gonna keep on hating and critic videos on her. Doxxing seems like a really risky move and does escalate from her end. I'd honestly advice her to keep on reporting his videos or even channel and work with YT against him, and don't make a response video of him, don't even mention him in socials, just mention there's an online stalker from YouTube trying to defame and slander her.

   Any other choices like intimidation, blackmail, coercion or other dark manipulation tactics is not advisable as she's also a bit guilty of ripping off content herself. As far as taking this to court it's another issue, as I don't know enough if it's illegal or if there's a good legal case for her side. She can actually report his channel that's dedicated to hating on her as slanderous and harassing her, pretty sure YT would take that down in that situation.

   

[bebotalk]

On 27/11/2023 at 0:35 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@bebotalk

   I'd argue making an entire YT Channel hating and critiquing one person is just as bad, if not worse as every video made in that Channel gets the algorithm to recommend that to viewers, which influences her potential viewers she could have gained to be much less, reputational damage so to speak, so I get her frustration. Doesn't justify her ripping off Tik Tok shorts, but she's human and a person found out a big name YT Channel is targeting you and hating on you and joking about you as one whole Channel I'd feel pissed, like stop scary away my future customers.

Yes, I agree what he did wasn't appropriate. BUt she took it to another level, which is unprecedented. There were ways she could have asked Youtube to take his channel down or reprimand him. Also, his critics of her on his channel weren't that bad in the grand scheme. He wasn't being misogynistic, or racist, or otherwise bigoted. One can be angry at something, but still have a very bad reaction to such actions. I dont' see how going to his house, and then essentially doxxing him to the masses, is a legitimate response to her own legitimate frustration or anger. It's a needless escalation. 

[Danioover9000]

@bebotalk

49 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

Yes, I agree what he did wasn't appropriate. BUt she took it to another level, which is unprecedented. There were ways she could have asked Youtube to take his channel down or reprimand him. Also, his critics of her on his channel weren't that bad in the grand scheme. He wasn't being misogynistic, or racist, or otherwise bigoted. One can be angry at something, but still have a very bad reaction to such actions. I dont' see how going to his house, and then essentially doxxing him to the masses, is a legitimate response to her own legitimate frustration or anger. It's a needless escalation. 

   I did cover that situation here:

 

On 27/11/2023 at 5:16 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Raze

   Sure although Onision is a bit worse than SSSniperwolf. All honesty I get why she'd dox Jakefilms and how she'd be feeling, but there are better ways to handle Jakefilms, like reporting every video that slanders her for misinformation, misleading titles and thumbnails, or other infractions she could use against him. Another would simply be ignore him, but that's risky becuase there's mounting PR damage and reputation lost if he's gonna keep on hating and critic videos on her. Doxxing seems like a really risky move and does escalate from her end. I'd honestly advice her to keep on reporting his videos or even channel and work with YT against him, and don't make a response video of him, don't even mention him in socials, just mention there's an online stalker from YouTube trying to defame and slander her.

   Any other choices like intimidation, blackmail, coercion or other dark manipulation tactics is not advisable as she's also a bit guilty of ripping off content herself. As far as taking this to court it's another issue, as I don't know enough if it's illegal or if there's a good legal case for her side. She can actually report his channel that's dedicated to hating on her as slanderous and harassing her, pretty sure YT would take that down in that situation.

   

   Jakefilm's criticism may not be sexist, racist, bigoted or other, but he's borderline there, and again making a WHOLE YT CHANNEL ABOUT ONE PERSON, is cringe. Yes he can feel angry and have a reaction to her ripping off tik Tok vieeos, but that doesn't mean it's justified for him to hage and critic her with an entire channel about her. That's like a YT Channel dedicated to critique of and hating on Actualized.org.

   Another example is Destiny directing hie fanbase to dox and harass a woman in twitter for jokingly saying she'd pay money to anyone who can throw eggs at one or his live meetings. Is Destiny justified to command his fans to cyber harass and dox a woman over a joke, which he himself was a victim to in the past that got him banned from Twitch?

[bebotalk]

17 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@bebotalk

   I did cover that situation here:

 

   Jakefilm's criticism may not be sexist, racist, bigoted or other, but he's borderline there, and again making a WHOLE YT CHANNEL ABOUT ONE PERSON, is cringe. Yes he can feel angry and have a reaction to her ripping off tik Tok vieeos, but that doesn't mean it's justified for him to hage and critic her with an entire channel about her. That's like a YT Channel dedicated to critique of and hating on Actualized.org.

   Another example is Destiny directing hie fanbase to dox and harass a woman in twitter for jokingly saying she'd pay money to anyone who can throw eggs at one or his live meetings. Is Destiny justified to command his fans to cyber harass and dox a woman over a joke, which he himself was a victim to in the past that got him banned from Twitch?

Yes, I get she had a perfect right to be aggrieved at his channel. But that doesn't justify going to his house to "talk". Two wrongs don't make a right. and her reaction wasn't proportional to his bad act. I don't agree that her act of going to his house, and finding out where he lives no less, is a legitimate response. I would still maintain that she took an unjustified step to a legitimate gripe. I agree with Moist Critical in the vid you posted. 

[bebotalk]

On 27/11/2023 at 0:35 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@bebotalk

   I'd argue making an entire YT Channel hating and critiquing one person is just as bad, if not worse as every video made in that Channel gets the algorithm to recommend that to viewers, which influences her potential viewers she could have gained to be much less, reputational damage so to speak, so I get her frustration. Doesn't justify her ripping off Tik Tok shorts, but she's human and a person found out a big name YT Channel is targeting you and hating on you and joking about you as one whole Channel I'd feel pissed, like stop scary away my future customers.

Doxxing is way more dangerous potentially. I don't see the equivalence. Doxxing generally is bad since it can lead to real-world harm. Where is the harm in the real world in a channel? Can one get attacked or harassed in public or in one's home? Yes, she's human. She had as she said a "lapse in judgment". But that doesn't mean such conduct can be excused. IMHO at least, if a person takes an existing quarrel to another level, then they gain more moral weight in the scenario. If a couple disagrees over who should wash dishes and gets groceries, and one party breaks another's computer in anger, then this crosses a line and is a needless escalation. 

You're suggesting that the mere fact he had a cringe channel on her justifies her act on going to his house to "talk". I don't agree. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by bebotalk

[Danioover9000]

   The potential harm in a YT Channel relates to propaganda and reducing future viewers and followers of the targeted person. If the propaganda and smear campaign is that bad that it leads to censorship and cancellation, and even cyber bullying, harassment, doxxing and other hateful acts on SSSniperwolf, then Jakefilms is the cause of those potential harms of his dedicated Channel, as he's trying to manipulate popular opinion of her, see? Other YT Channels, for example Mr. Girl, was taken down by exactly this way, smear campaign by Destiny, and due to past troubles Nick Fuentes's dellow streamers decide to mass report Mr. Girl that YT took down his Channel. It's a coordinated attack that took his Channel down.

   Doxxing is a bit tricky as police and journalists dox all the time to tailor their questions to the interviewee. Should doxxing be illegal or heavily restricted when other jobs have the person doxxing?

[bebotalk]

12 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   The potential harm in a YT Channel relates to propaganda and reducing future viewers and followers of the targeted person. If the propaganda and smear campaign is that bad that it leads to censorship and cancellation, and even cyber bullying, harassment, doxxing and other hateful acts on SSSniperwolf, then Jakefilms is the cause of those potential harms of his dedicated Channel, as he's trying to manipulate popular opinion of her, see? Other YT Channels, for example Mr. Girl, was taken down by exactly this way, smear campaign by Destiny, and due to past troubles Nick Fuentes's dellow streamers decide to mass report Mr. Girl that YT took down his Channel. It's a coordinated attack that took his Channel down.

   Doxxing is a bit tricky as police and journalists dox all the time to tailor their questions to the interviewee. Should doxxing be illegal or heavily restricted when other jobs have the person doxxing?

Not all forms of harm are equal nor are quantifiable. I respect your view but I do not agree.  Her act in going to his house imho was distinct from him posting vids about her. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially wrongs of equal severity or nature. Doxxing is legal given the circumstances, so I don't see the connection nor relevance of your point. I stand by my view, and I respect your view. My view aligns with that of Moist Critical, whom you posted.  You're essentially saying "he harmed him, so she can harm him back!!" I don't think any harm is justified by an initial attack.

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by bebotalk

[Juan]

@Danioover9000 Doxxing is worse than whatever Jacksfilms has done. What do you prefer? People know your address and put your family on danger or people criticize you on the internet? 

25 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

as he's trying to manipulate popular opinion of her, see?

  Had you studied what Jacksfilms has done bro? He din’t manipulate any opinion of her, he just did a bingo game confirming that her reactions has no dept, it’s all repetitive and doesn’t credit the creators of the video she reacts so she is making easy money. What SSSniperwolf did is very immature.

[Juan]

This is a professional take from a lawyer. Anyways I think this is a bit of unnecessary drama for the forum, I don’t think we are moving a lot forward the conversation. 

[bebotalk]

Why didn't she then start a channel dissing HIM? that would have been a proportionate thing. and he'd have no way to dispute this. Doxxing is a different level. Moist Critical was based in his analysis. Not all acts are equal. Not all wrongs or harms are equal. 

[Buck Edwards]

39 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

Why didn't she then start a channel dissing HIM? that would have been a proportionate thing.

Not everyone thinks in a war mongering way like you do.