THIS is infinite, so there is no NOT-THIS

[Loveeee]

Cornering you into solipsism 

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Cornering you into solipsism 

"THIS" suggests a subject/object duality.   It suggests "other"  notice that.  It suggests someone over here saying that reality is THIS.  But i am over here "observing" THIS. 

THIS is separate from you.  You is you. Not this.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Osaid]

No need for duplicate threads, keep it streamlined.
 

 

[Inliytened1]

Can you guys stop locking everything.  I think there has never really been a discussion of "this".  Let's let it roll...

[Osaid]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

I think there has never really been a discussion of "this".

Guess we're having a different flavour of solipsism today haha

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Osaid said:

Guess we're having a different flavour of solipsism today haha

Haha...only if you call it that.

[Loveeee]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

"THIS" suggests a subject/object duality.   It suggests "other"  notice that.  THIS is separate from you.  You is you. Not this.

Usually "this" means object and "you" means subject 

But by "THIS" I mean "YOU"

I'm pointing to that which can't be pointed to precisely it transcends that duality, the "current" "experience" that "you" "are"

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Usually "this" means object and "you" means subject 

But by "THIS" I mean "YOU"

I'm pointing to that which can't be pointed to precisely it transcends that duality, the "current" "experience" that "you" "are"

Then just say You with a capital Y.  You are God.  This is not God.  You are God.

[Loveeee]

12 minutes ago, Osaid said:

No need for duplicate threads, keep it streamlined.
 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Guess we're having a different flavour of solipsism today haha

Like you said it's a different flavour so I wanted a different topic, to which you responded :

17 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Ultimately, you have not truly realized that "other people" are imaginary. You have simply replaced it with another belief that says "Other people don't exist." You use the same imaginary parameter that you critcize in order to define your own experience, and so then you say "You can experience solipsism." The inability to imagine something does not create non-existence. You cannot create or realize non-existence by thinking about other people. I am not saying that other people do or don't have their own experience, I am saying that your proof itself doesn't say much.

Are you conscious that THIS is infinite ?

[Inliytened1]

@Loveeee 

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 

Like you said it's a different flavour so I wanted a different topic, to which you responded :

Are you conscious that THIS is infinite ?

If you are trying to bring someone to realize they are completely alone because of Infinity you will fail to do that.  One has to become directly conscious of this via psychedelics or meditation.  So asking someone if they are conscious of Infinity is not going to get you far.  If they are conscious of it, they most certainly don't have to answer to you about it.

[Osaid]

10 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Are you conscious that THIS is infinite ?

Yep

[AerisVahnEphelia]

everyone is yelling solipsism until those nGa stare me in the eyes and die from presenceness.

[Loveeee]

32 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Then just say You with a capital Y.  You are God.  This is not God.  You are God.

This is God, the impersonal You

The word "This" leaves no room for non-solipsistic bullshit, of course I use it in the non-dual sense especially when I say it's infinite 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Loveeee

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Loveeee said:

This is God, the impersonal You 

The word "This" leaves no room for bullshit, of course I use it in the non-dual sense especially when I'm saying it's infinite 

That's just it. Anything impersonal is a duality.  It suggests a subject- you- observing the object - this. 

 

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's just it. Anything impersonal is a duality.  It suggests a subject- you- observing the object - this. 

 

This = You

Self-awareness 

Objective Subject , Subjective Object 

That's what I mean by impersonal self, object and subject, both, neither

Call it suprapersonal or whatever, langage is dualistic 

[Loveeee]

28 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Yep

Since THIS is infinite, there's nothing else ! 

[Osaid]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Since THIS is infinite, there's nothing else ! 

Yep

[Loveeee]

40 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Loveeee 

One has to become directly conscious of this via psychedelics or meditation. 

That's what we're doing right now, meditation/observation

[Loveeee]

21 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Yep

So what's the problem ? Pointing to non-existence (of other), is pointing to infinity (of self)

[Osaid]

10 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

So what's the problem ? Pointing to non-existence (of other), is pointing to infinity (of self)

The problem is that non-existence doesn't exist.

Anyways, I'm not gonna talk about solipsism here, because then we would have abandoned the previous thread for no reason, which is what I was trying to prevent until I got intercepted, so I'll just take a vow of silence instead.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Osaid