Solipsism proof : experience isn't divided nor limited

[Razard86]

18 hours ago, tuku747 said:

Where does denial and limitation of others get you?

You've only denied yourself.

I'm glad you get it. Absolute= No Limits and the Inclusion of Limits. The reason why there is so much misunderstanding is because all perspectives are true. Until you understand this you are just confusing yourself. Every person I have ever argued with on the forums is absolutely correct/true within their paradigm. This means I have never actually argued with anyone here once I became aware of this. But when you are stuck in your perspective you will think I am arguing with you even when I say I am not because you want agreement. 

God is never wrong, since you are God if you never question if you are wrong then by default you are not wrong. How can God be wrong? By creating an Other God to it that perceives things differently. You all do not understand why God created the illusion of other. Really investigate it. 

[Loveeee]

On 11/15/2023 at 9:36 PM, Osaid said:

The fact of my experience is that I can have beliefs about things which aren't experienced

 

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

Cornering you into solipsism 

 

[Osaid]

26 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Cornering you into solipsism 

Ultimately, you have not truly realized that "other people" are imaginary. You have simply replaced it with another belief that says "Other people don't exist." You use the same imaginary parameter that you critcize in order to define your own experience, and so then you say "You can experience solipsism." The inability to imagine something does not create non-existence. You cannot create or realize non-existence by thinking about other people. I am not saying that other people do or don't have their own experience, I am saying that your proof itself doesn't say much.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Osaid

[Inliytened1]

41 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Ultimately, you have not truly realized that "other people" are imaginary. You have simply replaced it with another belief that says "Other people don't exist." You use the same imaginary parameter that you critcize in order to define your own experience, and so then you say "You can experience solipsism." The inability to imagine something does not create non-existence. You cannot create or realize non-existence by thinking about other people. I am not saying that other people do or don't have their own experience, I am saying that your proof itself doesn't say much.

No one is talking about non-existence.   When we say someone is imaginary - it means they exist.  It simply means they exist within your own mind - and that all existence dwells within your own mind.  There is no existence only beyond your own mind.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Osaid]

33 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No one is talking about non-existence. When we say someone is imaginary - it means they exist.  It simply means they exist within your own mind - and that all existence dwells within your own mind.  There is no existence only beyond your own mind.

The OP is creating an identity. They are defining their experience as solipsistic, and they are defining experience by referring to an imaginary entity called "other minds" or "other people."

You can say that this is mind, or that is mind, but it fails to say anything really substantial. In this case, a tautology is created which says "I am me, therefore there are no other minds outside of me." If there are "no other minds outside of you", that sentence points to something that does not exist, it is pointing to non-existence. They are defining themselves with something that does not exist. Their "proof" is based on something that is imagined.

I am not going to go into details about whether imagination, knowledge, etc. can count towards a valid existence of "other people", that is truly a debate for another matter, because the OP is presenting a very specific word/philosophy for his experience, which is "solipsism." And he claims that he has proof for it, and his logic for that is contingent on "I am me, therefore there is no other." That logic is where my contention lies, and where I say you cannot experience that because it points to non-existence.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Osaid

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Osaid said:

The problem is that non-existence doesn't exist.

Anyways, I'm not gonna talk about solipsism here, because then we would have abandoned the previous thread for no reason, which is what I was trying to prevent until I got intercepted.

Ok let's continue here 

As I said, pointing to non-existence (of other), is pointing to infinity (of self), which yeah strictly speaking can't be done

You can't point to non-existence because it doesn't exist 

You can't point to existence because it's all that exists ! 

[Osaid]

34 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

As I said, pointing to non-existence (of other), is pointing to infinity (of self), which yeah strictly speaking can't be done

The bracketed "(of other)" is overly conceptual, we can simplify it. There are not different types of non-existence. That is just an input from your imagination.

There is that which exists, and that which doesn't exist. 

Non-existence doesn't exist.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Osaid

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

No one is talking about non-existence.   When we say someone is imaginary - it means they exist.  It simply means they exist within your own mind - and that all existence dwells within your own mind.  There is no existence only beyond your own mind.

there is no existence of others beyond your own mind, for you. and that is enough, it is indifferent to think that the others who appear in your experience have their own experience or not, it is indifferent regarding awakening.

awakening is to penetrate this experience, dissolve it and realize its substance. To do this is beyond the mind, and it is the mind where those others are and where you are. beyond the mind there are no others no "no others", neither you. there is the unfathomable infinity alive unthinkable, this is awakening

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Osaid said:

 If there are "no other minds outside of you", that sentence points to something that does not exist, it is pointing to non-existence. 

 

29 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Non-existence doesn't exist.

 

Other doesn't exist, stop trying to be so technical  

You're a solipsist in disguise, the worst kind 

[Loveeee]

33 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

there is no existence of others beyond your own mind, for you. and that is enough, it is indifferent to think that the others who appear in your experience have their own experience or not, it is indifferent regarding awakening.

Awakening is about truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth 

[Osaid]

14 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 

 

Other doesn't exist, stop trying to be so technical  

You're a solipsist in disguise, the worst kind 

You are being overly technical, so I must speak your language.

"No other minds outside of you" are symbols/words which point non-existence, it doesn't actually have anything to do with others, it only has to do with non-existence. Again, there is no such thing as different types of non-existence, that is just human imagination. What must be focused on is not language, but what the language is actually pointing to in your direct experience. 

The utility of the word "non-existence" should not be misinterpreted. Non-existence is an invention of human imagination and language, by definition it is what is not experienced.

[Loveeee]

2 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Since THIS is infinite, there's nothing else ! 

 

2 hours ago, Osaid said:

Yep

 

Solipsism

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Osaid said:

The OP is creating an identity. They are defining their experience as solipsistic, and they are defining experience by referring to an imaginary entity called "other minds" or "other people."

You can say that this is mind, or that is mind, but it fails to say anything really substantial. In this case, a tautology is created which says "I am me, therefore there are no other minds outside of me." If there are "no other minds outside of you", that sentence points to something that does not exist, it is pointing to non-existence. They are defining themselves with something that does not exist. Their "proof" is based on something that is imagined.

I am not going to go into details about whether imagination, knowledge, etc. can count towards a valid existence of "other people", that is truly a debate for another matter, because the OP is presenting a very specific word/philosophy for his experience, which is "solipsism." And he claims that he has proof for it, and his logic for that is contingent on "I am me, therefore there is no other." That logic is where my contention lies, and where I say you cannot experience that because it points to non-existence.

It's actually easy to explain when you awaken so I'll explain. Close your eyes, notice there is a black screen. Now understand that black screen always disappears in deep sleep, it also becomes full of light when you open your eyes. So what we are noticing is this screen keeps disappearing and reappearing. 

Notice that everything operates like this. It disappears and reappears. So where is this MIND? Well this mind is nothing, so it doesn't have an appearance/qualia of any kind. So how is it one? Well its the screen. The screen is always one, it just doesn't have an appearance. Some like to call that screen a frame if you will. 

^^^^ There is always a frame, a screen, with something on it and now matter how much you divide it, flip it inward outward, zoom in, zoom out, it is always one frame/screen. That frame screen holds everything within it that appears on it, and everything including the screen appears and disappears because its not physical its mental.

Your human imagination works the same way as this waking level imagination. The same way a movie picture is just a screen with appearances on it is the same way that movies work. The only difference is the frame we are talking about isn't a something, its nothing, and the appearances are also nothing. 

Also this is mind is sentient, because it is aware that it is. It can also go to sleep and forget what it is.

This is why one day humans will be able to make a virtual reality similar to what we call real life which I'm sure will be the case to wake itself up in its entirety to what it is. An infinite frames per second appearance, with sensory stimulation, and sensory dimensions that creates a world that feels like a physical world and not a world that is purely imaginary and it can pull this off because it is infinitely intelligent.

Humans are only asleep because their mental configuration/conceptualization right now is imagining reality a specific way. This is why you have to do self-inquiry, visualization exercises, etc to drop the configuration they are creating with their assumptions. This is why I tell people the map is BOTH the territory and NOT the territory. Your mind is always conceptualizing reality and you cannot seperate them without becoming aware how you are doing it. Until you become aware of it, you are trapped absolutely.

This is why I have people watch this playlist. It shows you how you can see dimensions on a phone/desktop/laptop screen. Once a person can realize that there actually isn't anything flat, that the only reason when they look at something and only see it in a particular dimension is because they are making metaphysical assumptions that hold that object in that particular dimension.

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Close your eyes, notice there is a black screen. Now understand that black screen always disappears in deep sleep

Belief

There's no such thing as unconsciousness

There's also no such thing as consciousness without qualia 

[Razard86]

19 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Belief

There's no such thing as unconsciousness

There's also no such thing as consciousness without qualia 

If there wasn't such thing as unconsciousness you couldn't speak of it!!! What you don't realize is imagination and belief is the same thing!!! Reality is created by belief!!! This is why I say you don't understand. 

God is only human BECAUSE GOD BELIEVES IT IS HUMAN!!! Imagination and belief are the SAME!!! You imagine a difference!!! You are right now no different than a materialist telling someone that Absolute Solipsism is a belief!!! Why does God exist? Because GOD BELIEVES IT EXISTS!! 

God is so powerful that God can believe it doesn't exist...and it won't!!! You keep trying to pin Infinity down. You cannot!!! When you enter deep sleep you don't exist. Then you AWAKEN!!! That you exist. So you prove your eternity by being able to not exist, and still exist. Because if you disappear and then can reappear then you prove that existence and nonexistence are the same thing. Appearance and disappearance are the same thing.

But notice...because you refuse to switch the way you are looking at it, you can't actually explain your position. All you can do is keep repeating the same thing like a parrot. This is because unlike you I aware of what infinity is. Infinity =down is up, and up is down, inside is outside, outside is inside. You are stuck in rigidity. So as a result you can only communicate and understand in rigid expression. This is why you cannot fake your awareness. 

How you express= how aware you are. You ARE YOUR OWN LIMIT OF EXPRESSION.

Here is one for you God is ABSOLUTE TRUTH right? God is also ABSOLUTE DELUSION. See if you can become aware of that one!! If you can't...then you don't know/not aware of what Infinity is. 

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Razard86

[Razard86]

One last pointer, the man that thinks God is Absolutely Evil is correct, no more than the man that think God is Absolute Good. Why is this the case? Because the man that thinks God is Absolutely Evil is God!!!! God is its own limit. So if God sees evil, only God can stop seeing evil. All perspectives are true because all perspectives are equally God!!! You can only understand this...if you BECOME GOD!! I became GOD so I know what the Absolute is and what the Relative is. Everything is always absolutely true and absolutely false, because it depends on the perspective.

Many of you try to jump to Absolute Truth and then try to argue that there isn't Absolute Evil. The dumbest part of God believes in Absolute Evil. The smartest part of God believes in Absolute Good. But when God lives its truth what we call life, God gets to find out. The type of character/self you construct and live will be a reflection of your beliefs. This is the purpose of religion. This is why people who demonize religion reveal the truth of who they are. 

If you live by what religion teaches, you discover Goodness. If you live selfishly you discover evil. The Good see the Good in everything and the Evil see the bad in everything. True Goodness does not exclude evil. True Goodness sees evil for what it is, a lack of inclusivity. Evil only wants to include what fits its paradigm. If it doesn't fit its paradigm then its false. So....True Goodness cannot see a lie, because it is all inclusive. This is why it is called Absolute Truth. 

Many people on these forums reveal who they are by their ability to be inclusive. If you cannot explain what you believe, then you don't believe it. A parrot doesn't know anything, it just repeats over and over. Don't be a parrot, actually seek to figure out what is going on. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

11 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

When you enter deep sleep you don't exist.

If you can't realize that's false, at least realize that's a belief, you have never experienced non-experience 

[Razard86]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

If you can't realize that's false, at least realize that's a belief, you have never experienced non-experience 

HAHHAAHAH this is hilarious to me you really don't get it....it can only be false because its all true. So yes its false...but its also true. I can see both sides. You cannot!! Mr. Flagpost in the ocean!!!!

[Razard86]

You all don't even understand why God doesn't punish evil. Here is something for you....if evil actually existed....God would punish it!!! How do we know? Because currently humanity punishes sin!!! You guys keep thinking humans are humans. NO!!! Humans are GOD!!!! Humans are God's PERSPECTIVE!!

The ONLY REASON you don't need to ask for forgiveness from God, is because you are not responsible for anything you do!!! Why? Because you are designed to be the way you are!!! So then you say...so I can just do stupid shit? If you want...but...you could also discover you are God. How do I do that? Ask yourself what Goodness is, Honesty is, what it is to be Truly Caring, investigate this long enough and live from this long enough and you will discover you are God!!! You can't bullshit your way to God, you actually HAVE TO BE GOD to be GOD. 

The discovery of yourself is God, is PROOF you have lived a GODLY LIFE. That's it!!! This isn't complicated. You complicate it with your self-deception and trickery. You are lucky you don't actually have control, because if you did, God would punish you. But God cannot because God can only be evil through ignorance and lack of understanding. As such anybody you see no matter how evil, is in a constant struggle to be Good. All form is good, but is trapped within a limitation of goodness and can only act within the confines of that limitation. 

But hey.....you will only understand what I am saying through direct experience.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Awakening is about truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth 

4 hours ago, Loveeee said:

 

Awakening is to vape 25 mg of 5meo DMT in one shot and become infinite