Solipsism proof : experience isn't divided nor limited

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

No, suffering will never stop. All the highest "love" talk you will experience as god at the highest levels will not stop your suffering. As long as you're experiencing something , suffering won't stop. Each stage has it's own level of suffering, no matter where you will be.

Exactly. People are always asking if you're happier with this and happier with that. It's not about being happy or sad, it's being CONTENT with what is. I'm not searching for happiness because that's a fleeting state. Are you ok with what arises, is the true question and answer in itself. That's true peace. That's what you are. That's suffering and all. Let the suffering come because you know it's not forever lasting, just like happiness.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Jowblob that is interesting what you are saying... a very sad picture you are painting. Well, you are the painter.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I wonder why the topic of Solipsism gets so much attention and lengthy discussions. Hmmmmmm

because identity, the ego that thinks, speaks, suffers, fears, desires, and creates a mental world, is created through interaction with others. Humans are not individuals, we are part of an entity, the collective ego. Without it we would not be human, we would not know how to speak or think, we would be animals.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

because identity, the ego that thinks, speaks, suffers, fears, desires, and creates a mental world, is created through interaction with others. Humans are not individuals, we are part of an entity, the collective ego. Without it we would not be human, we would not know how to speak or think, we would be animals.

You still didn't address why the topic of Solipsism gets so much attention. You're just saying why humans like to interact. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

You still didn't address why the topic of Solipsism gets so much attention. You're just saying why humans like to interact. 

One reason may be because without the others, we are much closer of what existence is. I think that with the solipsism people tries unconsciously to get rid if the ego. 

the other reason is because Leo did that video and many believes in the Leo's vision, and they want to accept that the solipsism is true, but it's too weird, too disturbing and that is why it is such a controversial topic

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Princess Arabia it's about what is the first. The chicken or the egg. Is the storyteller with a story before a given realm or is it opposite? It also about determinism vs freedom so to speak. Quite interesting and enjoying😄

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Fact is: unbounded infinity breaks any mind. Mind resists as much as it can. Then it finds kind of a solution - from now it's infinite mind. Safe again, whole again.

At some point drop the mind, let it go and simply be, as everything else. Then you are unbounded infinity.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

...and quite joyful and happy infinity😉

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

too disturbing

That's what i'm referring to, just this alone should make you wonder. If I told you I was a chicken and made a video about it, you would probably think it funny, laugh and move on. But no, I tell you you're all that is and there's nothing but you and everybody goes berserk. Why. If it's so absurd laugh and move on. We all want to talk about it because there's a mystery there. A curiosity factor. Hmmm, I wonder...We are all it, whatever that it is, the same it, so all these feelings doesn't just come outta nowhere. Solipsism didn't just come outta someone's ass. That's too wild to imagine out of nowhere. All these things should make you wonder.

[Loveeee]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I wonder why the topic of Solipsism gets so much attention and lengthy discussions. 

Because it's hard to accept or even get 

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's what i'm referring to, just this alone should make you wonder. If I told you I was a chicken and made a video about it, you would probably think it funny, laugh and move on. But no, I tell you you're all that is and there's nothing but you and everybody goes berserk. Why. If it's so absurd laugh and move on. We all want to talk about it because there's a mystery there. A curiosity factor. Hmmm, I wonder...We are all it, whatever that it is, the same it, so all these feelings doesn't just come outta nowhere. Solipsism didn't just come outta someone's ass. That's too wild to imagine out of nowhere. All these things should make you wonder.

It's pure ego, need to label everything. The ego is labels, it is constantly creating a mental world, and in it others are real. If they tell you that others are not real, you have to reconfigure that mental world and adapt it to that vision, change your perspective. Before he thought that everything in his mind comes from others, now he thinks it comes from him. It is indifferent, what there is, there is. the same as saying that reality is a dream. It's the same, it's just a label.

Labels are the mental capsule that keeps us separated from reality, this capsule is fed by the constant mental flow, this flow is not just words, it is subliminal beliefs, the mental grip that we cling to to live in our bubble of ideas called ego. You have to burst that bubble, look reality in the face without a filter. Everything you think or believe is a filter, it is not enough to forcefully stop thinking with meditation, you must stop believing in anything. this is the key

[Loveeee]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's pure ego, need to label everything. The ego is labels, it is constantly creating a mental world, and in it others are real. If they tell you that others are not real, you have to reconfigure that mental world and adapt it to that vision, change your perspective. Before he thought that everything in his mind comes from others, now he thinks it comes from him. It is indifferent, what there is, there is. the same as saying that reality is a dream. It's the same, it's just a label.

Labels are the mental capsule that keeps us separated from reality, this capsule is fed by the constant mental flow, this flow is not just words, it is subliminal beliefs, the mental grip that we cling to to live in our bubble of ideas called ego. You have to burst that bubble, look reality in the face without a filter. Everything you think or believe is a filter, it is not enough to forcefully stop thinking with meditation, you must stop believing in anything. this is the key

Pointing at the moon but you concentrate on the finger

 

[Razard86]

In some ways a blind man is closer to the truth than one born with eyes. A blind has never met an other. He has heard sounds, he has felt things, but he has never observed any boundaries visually. He needs to be guided because he lives in a world with no boundaries that constantly talks to him. So the blind man paradoxically sees more clearly. Funny thing how this works huh?

A blind man is more authentic because he cannot see, a man with eyes is less authentic because he is bound by what he sees. LOL.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

In some ways a blind man is closer to the truth than one born with eyes. A blind has never met an other. He has heard sounds, he has felt things, but he has never observed any boundaries visually. He needs to be guided because he lives in a world with no boundaries that constantly talks to him. So the blind man paradoxically sees more clearly. Funny thing how this works huh?

How about that

People born blind see what you see through your elbow, not even darkness, since they never experienced the opposite. Similarly, as humans we're in the dark but some of us know it, because we have experienced the light 

In other words, while this feels like the maximum level of consciousness/clarity, it is not, but you won't know until you know ( looking at you meditators )

[Razard86]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

How about that

People born blind see what you see through your elbow, not even darkness, since they never experienced the opposite. Similarly, as humans we're in the dark but some of us know it, because we have experienced the light 

In other words, while this feels like the maximum level of consciousness/clarity, it is not, but you won't know until you know ( looking at you meditators )

Here is another counter-intuitive, Absolute Solipsism is a deeper experienced connection....than that. From one perspective one may think they lose other....but in truth you gain other in a way....where they cannot escape the union. LOL. Because if other is YOU....where can they go? Even if they lose their body (funeral) they cannot escape you because....you have discovered that they ARE your consciousness and you are theirs. So you can speak to them whether they have a body or not. 

Explain to me how this is some how a bad thing? It's bad only to the ego.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

Pointing at the moon but you concentrate on the finger

 

54 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

 

Just to see that the finger means nothing. Just remove it.

No one concept, no one belief, totally empty. If not, you close reality.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Cireeric]

For me the biggest issue with all this is : You need to make the assumption that everything there is can be proven from within your own POV. But can you verify this assumption from your pov?

[Loveeee]

21 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Here is another counter-intuitive, Absolute Solipsism is a deeper experienced connection....than that. From one perspective one may think they lose other....but in truth you gain other in a way....where they cannot escape the union. LOL. Because if other is YOU....where can they go? Even if they lose their body (funeral) they cannot escape you because....you have discovered that they ARE your consciousness and you are theirs. So you can speak to them whether they have a body or not. 

Explain to me how this is some how a bad thing? It's bad only to the ego.

Not only that, but you're God so you can dream whoever whenever, funeral means nothing 

And not only that, but being God you're in the presence of God, you're God and one with God, to be Alone is the precise opposite of loneliness 

[Razard86]

10 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

For me the biggest issue with all this is : You need to make the assumption that everything there is can be proven from within your own POV. But can you verify this assumption from your pov?

When have you ever been outside your own POV. Give me one time.

[Razard86]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Not only that, but you're God so you can dream whoever whenever, funeral means nothing 

And not only that, but being God you're in the presence of God, you're God and one with God, to be Alone is the precise opposite of loneliness 

You got it....how can existence be ALONE when its infinite? Unless you wanna call it an alone infinity. I guess that can work Infinity is alone because its everything.