Solipsism proof : experience isn't divided nor limited

[Sincerity]

12 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Sincerity A mature seeker, or someone who has realized their true nature, will undeniably see how misleading and dangerous beliefs such as 'solipsism' are.

You think everyone truly understands we are talking about the big YOU when we say 'it's all you'...? Of course not. They automatically confuse their egoic, limited self for all there is. They knowingly or unknowingly develop a belief that says that their small self, their egoic self, is all there is. Is God. They end up being far more deluded than before even embarking on this journey.

Well, it's not about beliefs. And people will misunderstand anything. That doesn't mean that the truth of aloneness as God shouldn't be shared. A thousand warnings / precautions have been given.

How many times can You repeat IT'S NOT ABOUT BELIEF? People will still fall into the same trap. Not the messenger's fault.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Sincerity

[Loveeee]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 then you ask: but then, in the eternity of existence, only this avatar has existed, now? No, there have been infinite avatars, and there will be. but now there is only this one, in the future you will be the others. 

We're telling you This/Here/Now is all that ever was/is/will be 

[Razard86]

1 minute ago, ivankiss said:

@Sincerity A mature seeker, or someone who has realized their true nature, will undeniably see how misleading and dangerous beliefs such as 'solipsism' are.

You think everyone truly understands we are talking about the big YOU when we say 'it's all you'...? Of course not. They automatically confuse their egoic, limited self for all there is. They knowingly or unknowingly develop a belief that says that their small self, their egoic self, is all there is. Is God. They end up being far more deluded than before even embarking on this journey.

Also, no such things as kundalinies and other nonsense either.

Corruption is inherent in all teachings. Christianity has been corrupt for 2000 years.

Show a Christian this verse: "33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34 Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken"

And they will deny it. Jesus himself could walk into a church and they will deny Oneness.

So the corruption argument doesn't hold. In fact your argument is one that believes in Free Will. That is another fallacy. You have no control what people will believe or choose not to believe. Leo pretends that his Solipsism video was bad, but in truth he doesn't have control over it being deleted the moment he uploaded it.

People who don't resonate with the message will reject it, and those who don't will receive it. Nobody has defeated the argument because it cannot be defeated so then yall try to argue about the use of labels, then yall try to argue oh what about the crazy people who think the human self is God? We already have those and they don't even know what Absolute Solipsism is. We had a guy on here named Vlad telling everyone to follow him and commune with him on Ahauwasca and that he was going to save the world. LOL. So all this fear that you are creating is unnecessary.

Besides I've already proven that it isn't even the term Absolute Solipsism. If I just start saying there is no other, there is only ONE so others don't  exist....yall will bring up the term Solipsists. Then I will say I am not using that word you are. Then you will have to deny it because now you are guilty.

Oneness implies deletion of other. I experience both duality and oneness in my direct experience. It's funny because Tony Parsons claims you can't explain it but you can. You experience everything as one because there is a recognition that you ARE experience, but simultaneously there is a remembrance of how you categorize things. So even though I don't experience separation between me and the chair I sit on, I am aware I call that experience "sitting on a chair." Instead of I am sitting on a chair. In fact the irony is....you could say I am= Experience is sitting on a chair. 

Totality is sitting on a chair. Existence is sitting on a chair. Or there is an experience of sitting on a chair. 

Or isness, room, sensation of chair and sitting. LOL. You could really play around with this. Maybe you can create an enlightened language cause regular language just keeps people asleep.

 

 

[Vibroverse]

Dude, the situation is hopeless unless you find a real way of how to do the work. You can get lost in all these ideas and all of that, you need to understand how to really do the work. You, somehow, need to figure out what to do and how to do, or it is all just misery within misery within misery that is going nowhere. 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Vibroverse

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

We're telling you This/Here/Now is all that ever was/is/will be 

Ah, if you say, sure it is. Could you share how did you arrive to this conclusion? Regardless of that, awakening has no relation on knowing whether others exist or not.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Loveeee]

14 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Sincerity They automatically confuse their egoic, limited self for all there is. They knowingly or unknowingly develop a belief that says that their small self, their egoic self, is all there is.

What the hell does that even mean ? 

How could the small be the all 

[ivankiss]

14 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Well, it's not about beliefs. And people will misunderstand anything. That doesn't mean that the truth of aloneness as God shouldn't be shared. A thousand warnings / precautions have been given.

How many times can You repeat IT'S NOT ABOUT BELIEF? People will still fall into the same trap. Not the messenger's fault.

It is absolitely the messenger's fault if he's spreading misinformation and potentially causing harm to those who buy into it. It is the messenger's or the teacher's responsibility to make sure that the information and the teachings provided are as harmless and as helpful as possible. 'Solipsism' is simply just more harmful than helpful.

[Razard86]

5 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It is absolitely the messenger's fault if he's spreading misinformation and potentially causing harm to those who buy into it. It is the messenger's or the teacher's responsibility to make sure that the information and the teachings provided are as harmless and as helpful as possible. 'Solipsism' is simply just more harmful than helpful.

^^^^^I shall call you ivankiss the Fearmonger.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Razard86

[ivankiss]

Just now, Loveeee said:

What the hell does that even mean ? 

How could the small be the all 

It cannot, but by default, that's how most seekers will interpret it. Knowingly or unknowingly. 

A chair is not more or less God than 'you' are. But that's not as exciting as 'I AM EVERYTHING!', right? Why not? Because ego don't like being the same as a chair. Ego likes to think it's superior, omnipotent, etc. 

 

[Loveeee]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ah, if you say, sure it is. Could you share how did you arrive to this conclusion? Regardless of that, awakening has no relation on knowing whether others exist or not.

Awakening is about truth, and truth is non-dual

I explained how in my original post, but there are many ways to see it 

 

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It cannot, but by default, that's how most seekers will interpret it. Knowingly or unknowingly. 

A chair is not more or less God than 'you' are. But that's not as exciting as 'I AM EVERYTHING!', right? Why not? Because ego don't like being the same as a chair. Ego likes to think it's superior, omnipotent, etc. 

 

What is perceived is the perceiver. Saying there is no individual self has equal danger to saying all is self.

[An young being]

14 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It is absolitely the messenger's fault if he's spreading misinformation and potentially causing harm to those who buy into it. It is the messenger's or the teacher's responsibility to make sure that the information and the teachings provided are as harmless and as helpful as possible. 'Solipsism' is simply just more harmful than helpful.

I have heard even meditation can give you sometimes a trip to mental hospital.

[Vibroverse]

6 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

What is perceived is the perceiver. Saying there is no individual self has equal danger to saying all is self.

True, that's why this is a subtle thing, and that's why it is problemmatic to say "the truth is this, the truth is that", it is a subtle thing, and what we need is a finetuning of mind, or what you might call a deconstruction of mind, brick by brick, so to speak, with no rushes. I think that's why, in a sense, a philosophical, or rigorous, approach is needed in our approaches. 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Vibroverse

[ivankiss]

@Razard86 I am deliberately avoiding responding to you, because it's never a fruitful conversation, but so be it. I see you're trying hard to capture my attention. I am also well aware of the mutual triggering that's going on - no need to deny.

Yes self or no self, yes individual or no individual... are all dualities. Consciousness is effortless and omnipresent. It does not require you to think that there is an individual, nor does it require you to deny that there is an individual. It is simply conscious now.

Edited November 14, 2023 by ivankiss

[ivankiss]

4 minutes ago, An young being said:

I have heard even meditation can give you sometimes a trip to mental hospital.

I imagine that can happen too.

And yes, everything is potentially dangerous, even air. 

But I think you guys like to use that as an excuse a bit too often, to justify your beliefs and keep living your fantasies.

[Loveeee]

23 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It cannot, but by default, that's how most seekers will interpret it. Knowingly or unknowingly. 

Well that's obviously not what we mean, just like by God we don't mean a bearded man in the sky 

I too was confused at first, it's part and parcel of this esoteric journey

[Razard86]

21 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Razard86 I am deliberately avoiding responding to you, because it's never a fruitful conversation, but so be it. I see you're trying hard to capture my attention. I am also well aware of the mutual triggering that's going on - no need to deny.

Yes self or no self, yes individual or no individual... are all dualities. Consciousness is effortless and omnipresent. It does not require you to think that there is an individual, nor does it require you to deny that there is an individual. It is simply conscious now.

Mutual triggering...no mutual triggering going on here, I love to point out inconsistencies to show people that they are creating drama. Yall love to create dramas and then justify it so I show you your reflection. Also....again for the 1000th time. 

Absolute Solipsisms says what you are saying. You have to deny it says that to actually have a problem. Do you not realize we are going in circles here? If it has no dualities...then there is no other because other is a duality.

The End.

Absolute Solipsism says and I quote...the only thing that is known is Experience. Because Experience cannot be divided. As such there can be no other experience because experience is ABSOLUTE. 

That is the SAME as saying Experience is!! So if experience just is... then since there is no other experience....which you know is true because you have never ever ever experienced other....then...other collapses. That's it. We can do this forever.

Also IS....inplies individuality. The individuality of consciousness because IS =singular. You cannot escape this. DEEP sleep collapses individual and other....which means... just like there is no I, there is no other.

Here is a key secret for all of you out there. Duality only exists because of ego.

This means that EGO=Other. Ego is the creation of other. No ego, no other. 

Its simple.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, strangelooper said:

This is a message to the solipsist. The truth is simple, you're the only one reading this. What you see is literally all that exists, all these people here arguing about solipsism (including me) don't exist and have never existed, they are automatic programmed non sentient entities just to entertain you. Of course "you" is also temporary but as far as people go, you're closer to real than any of these people because you feel and perceive. "You" is the main character, the instrument the universe is using to experience. Don't feel bad for me or for them, they simply do not exist.

Lol

[ivankiss]

14 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Well that's obviously not what we mean

It may be obvious to you, not to a newbie.

13 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Mutual triggering...no mutual triggering going on here

Of course. Someone who's in denial is also in denial about being in denial. 

13 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Yall love to create dramas and then justify it so I show you your reflection.

The delusion... it's over 9000.

You ain't reflecting shit to anyone... But do continue thinking you're our hero, our saviour.

13 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Absolute Solipsism says and I quote...the only thing that is known is Experience. Because Experience cannot be divided. As such there can be no other experience because experience is ABSOLUTE. 

That is the SAME as saying Experience is!! So if experience just is... then since there is no other experience....which you know is true because you have never ever ever experienced other....then...other collapses. That's it. We can do this forever.

And this is where your wokeness runs into a brickwall. 

Experience cannot ever be absolute.

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by ivankiss

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lol

He doesn't even realize he created a duality. If they don't exist, neither do you. 

What doesn't exist is individuals. The blankness of existence holds all things and controls all things. You don't know its there because it is invisible. This blankness is a mind and is always in control at all times and is free to do as it wants. Everything that happens is its will.

Then you have people who have forgotten and become afraid of this or that. The ego is a creation by this blankness to allow it to experience duality by being afraid of this or that. LOL. Once the ego drops it realizes....there is nothing to worry about because it was never in control in the first place. Ego doesn't like this because it is a control freak. Ego needs other so it can feel like it is accomplishing things, that it has meaning and purpose and blah blah blah. The ego doesn't realize the following things.

It doesn't control that is appeared as a human, its time period, its parents, the country it is in, how many hair follicles it has, how slow or fast it ages, its heart rate, or the end of its apparent life. But yet for some reason it thinks it has control? When it trips it says I tripped....lol. It says oh I made a mistake. LOL. How silly is this game? If you could prevent yourself from tripping you would never trip, and if you could prevent yourself from making mistake you wouldn't make mistakes.

The ego needs to hold on to so many stories and all of these stories are tied to the existence of other. If other is annihilated....the ego goes with it. THAT is when freedom is realized.