Morality Is a test of how spiritual you are

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Princess Arabia does the illusion exist?

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Princess Arabia does the illusion exist?

Apparently 

[An young being]

Imagine a veil covering your body. The veil exists as long as it is covering it. Relatively, It is as much real as the body is. Once you destroy the veil by burning it or removing it, you can see the body. But that doesn't make the veil imaginary. It exists as long as it isn't burnt. It's real no matter what happens.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Nice one.

Especially what our Alien Friend has to say about „meaning” and „morality”.

Enjoy!

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, An young being said:

Imagine a veil covering your body. The veil exists as long as it is covering it. Relatively, It is as much real as the body is. Once you destroy the veil by burning it or removing it, you can see the body. But that doesn't make the veil imaginary. It exists as long as it isn't burnt. It's real no matter what happens.

Both are imaginary 

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Razard86 I respect your opinion . I will not engage in a niggly territory with you when we basically start splitting hairs.

Even in subjects where there is plainly objective truth..you'll still find differing opinions. The existence of Young-Earth Creationists or Flat Earthers doesn't mean that the Earth isn't objectively billions of years old and round. Opinions can exist where facts are impossible.. but they can also be present where the individuals in question aren't aware of the facts .

So there may or may not be objective good/evil.. but the presence of differing opinions doesn't disprove it either way.

How is the Earth objectively billions of years old when according to your precious science its just an appearance of something.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/

Explain this one for me? I actually want you to be authentic here. Explain this for me. Were you here for the billion years? Or did somebody tell you that? 

 

[An young being]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Both are imaginary 

Everything is imaginary then.

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

Nice one.

Especially what our Alien Friend has to say about „meaning” and „morality”.

Enjoy!

Wtf happened in the very end. He ate him or something. Jesus, it scared the shit outta me..lol

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, An young being said:

Everything is imaginary then.

Yes. Source ( is all there is.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Razard86]

Just now, An young being said:

Everything is imaginary then.

That's all we and every spiritual teaching, and now even modern science points to. All the evidence points to this, if it is resisted it just means you don't like it. There is not a single person on this forum who can disprove this. I mean LITERALLY SCIENCE has proved it and they still resist. At one point you could make claims that Spirituality was just some woo woo nonsense but you can no longer do it. The Cat's out of the bag.

Also in my own personal life I also proved it to myself multiple times just to be sure. So at this point anybody who argues this, is basically just a Con Artist. It's why you see me communicate the way I do, its like dude your so full of shit it don't even make any sense. LOL. Then I discovered it had to be this way because its absolutely relative. So by default you have to have those who deny the truth no different than you need short and tall, black and white, wet and dry etc etc.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Both are imaginary 

How Your concepts of „what is imagined” are related to what IS. Do they change anything for You? Are You happier, safer, calmer etc.? I mean, at the end of the day, pain is pain, only suffering is na option. This one You can imagine. We all do it quite easily and more or less constantly

[Razard86]

1 minute ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

How Your concepts of „what is imagined” are related to what IS. Do they change anything for You? Are You happier, safer, calmer etc.? I mean, at the end of the day, pain is pain, only suffering is na option. This one You can imagine. We all do it quite easily and more or less constantly

Reality is groundless, to establish a ground reality has to imagine pain and suffering. Remove pain and suffering...and ironically life ceases to exist and everything dies. There is more than one type of death, most think death is annihilation of appearance, think about this....how would you like to walk around in a world that appears DEAD, FAKE, NOT REAL?

Pain= Real. You only think cartoon characters are fake because you don't feel any pain connected to them. If Mario appeared in front of you and punched you in the face, and it hurt like hell you wouldn't call him fake. And guess what? You can reach a state of Consciousness where you can conjure Mario right in front of you and he can punch you in the face and it will feel just as real as if I did it to you. THEN you will realize what everyone is talking about. There is only imagination, and imagination is ABSOLUTELY REAL.

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

How Your concepts of „what is imagined” are related to what IS. Do they change anything for You? Are You happier, safer, calmer etc.? I mean, at the end of the day, pain is pain, only suffering is na option. This one You can imagine. We all do it quite easily and more or less constantly

4 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

How Your concepts of „what is imagined” are related to what IS. Do they change anything for You? Are You happier, safer, calmer etc.? I mean, at the end of the day, pain is pain, only suffering is na option. This one You can imagine. We all do it quite easily and more or less constantly

It's not about a gain for me, there is no me to gain anything. I AM is everything. Happiness arises, sadness arises, insecurities arise, they are all within the mind that is not me. I am the pure witness of all that appears. Everything is the same. It's just seen through as just appearances that comes and go while I, the true Self, remains. Untouched, the witness, the observer of it all.

[Yimpa]

52 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What exists cannot Not exist. What's real cannot become unreal. What's real cannot change. What's real just IS.

As a human, this is true.

There are states well beyond human where all of this logic flies out the window.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Yimpa said:

As a human, this is true.

There are states well beyond human where all of this logic flies out the window.

What IS doesn't fly out the window. Logic is imaginary. What IS isn't. States are also imaginary so are windows. You are imagining logic and states that fly out the window and you are also imagining humans. 

[Razard86]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What IS doesn't fly out the window. Logic is imaginary. What IS isn't. States are also imaginary so are windows. You are imagining logic and states that fly out the window and you are also imagining humans. 

Don't get to carried away with this lol. I only say this to people who want the truth but are resisting it at the same time. Even though this is all true, logic is very useful and even though its imaginary if someone comes at you with a chainsaw all this its imaginary will fly out the window LOL.

In fact if you want a real scare to see how powerful imagination is....you can watch a Jason Movie and imagine Jason coming to murder you and if you reach a high enough state of Consciousness you can imagine Jason actually murdering you lol. And then awaken from that nightmare even though it will have felt real, sometimes even more real in comparison to what you call regular life.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Razard86 said:

Don't get to carried away with this lol. I only say this to people who want the truth but are resisting it at the same time. Even though this is all true, logic is very useful and even though its imaginary if someone comes at you with a chainsaw all this its imaginary will fly out the window LOL.

I'm not, but just for the sake of this conversation I'm stating this. True Self knowledge will dissolve all fear and suffering, but it takes practice and a lot of inquiry, so eventually that chainsaw wielding masochist will have to fly out the window along with his chainsaw. Lol

[An young being]

If we imagine life is imaginary, all these thoughts can come into our mind:

Life isn't real. I don't have to care about whatever I do in this world. No need to be moral, no need to be following laws, no need to worry about death since I would become God after death etc.

You can do all these, but doing this will further pull us deep into the illusion by strengthening the ego.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Princess Arabia I don't know if you have noticed when our Alien Friend says: "Meaning is something that is ascribed; nature is an objective reality".

Yes, yes, I know, it is perhaps a CGI video, but... this quote is somehow deep...

I reckon two major groups on this forum are having a discussion battle about what IS.

One group puts "story" and "meaning" before what IS; the other instead believes that it IS first and any story about IT or giving meaning to IT does not in any way change the nature of what IS. Take Love, for example. The nature of Love is to give, share, and care selflessly. The nature of water is that it is wet in a liquid state, of fire that it is hot, and of Hate that it strives for annihilation. My point is that no story, no playing with effects in a photo or painting changes what IS. Even what is only imagined has its own nature. And although imagined elements appear and disappear, their nature does with them. It is assigned to them. In this universe, liquid water feels wet, but ice feels cold. It is possible that our Alien Friend is right, and there are infinite universes; in one of them, the water may taste like chocolate. I don't see any obstacles, although I believe that even there, Love remains what it IS - the only real space for any imagination.

[Razard86]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not, but just for the sake of this conversation I'm stating this. True Self knowledge will dissolve all fear and suffering, but it takes practice and a lot of inquiry, so eventually that chainsaw wielding masochist will have to fly out the window along with his chainsaw. Lol

Yeah after the trauma of the ordeal. I'll explain what I mean. Whatever state God is in God is ABSOLUTELY in. So if you enter a state where Jason appears before you with a chainsaw, you are not going to be able to sit down and self-inquiry that away. If you try it, he will get to you and saw your arms off. You will cry in terror and anguish and wish it to stop and probably pass out.

Psychedelics reveal why there are people who make claims of demon possession, or why some people who have NDE's go to HELL. Your imagination is so powerful it is TOTAL and ABSOLUTE and as such it is not some easy thing to deconstruct. Spirituality is the scariest thing you can ever delve into. Even experiencing war, rape, etc doesn't compare. Why? You could imagine infinite rape and experience that.....get the picture? There is no limit to the tortures you can imagine. Human reality suffering doesn't compare to the dark places an Infinite Mind can conjure up.