Alan Watts and Terence McKenna weren't that awake ?

[Loveeee]

This might seem like blasphemy for some, make no mistake I do very much appreciate their talks 

But did Watts realized solipsism, did McKenna even realized immateriality ? 

[strangelooper]

Watts definitely implies solipsism in many of his talks related to life being a dream and the taboo against knowing who you are.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

But did Watts realized solipsism, did McKenna even realized immateriality ? 

They were "awake" to the extent to which they were free from such dogmas. Which at least in the case of Alan Watts seems to have been the case.

[Loveeee]

19 minutes ago, strangelooper said:

Watts definitely implies solipsism in many of his talks related to life being a dream and the taboo against knowing who you are.

As you can see on this forum people can come up with elaborate belief systems about parallel dreams and what not 

Many things he said make me think he wasn't a solipsist

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

This might seem like blasphemy for some, make no mistake I do very much appreciate their talks 

But did Watts realized solipsism, did McKenna even realized immateriality ? 

 

[The Lucid Dreamer]

I listen to Alan Watts a lot to this day and the more I listen to him, the more I think he was far more awake than many people realize.  

[Arthogaan]

13 hours ago, Loveeee said:

This might seem like blasphemy for some, make no mistake I do very much appreciate their talks 

But did Watts realized solipsism, did McKenna even realized immateriality ? 

Terence for sure had still a lot of materiality and external world left.

 

As for Watts I genuinely don't know because many teachers seem to kind of water down their message especially around solipsism to not freak out their audiences.

 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

It isn’t that there’s only one Self in the sense that is taught in a philosophy called solipsism. [...]

I’d like to see a congress of solipsists arguing as to which one of them is really there.

- Alan Watts -

[AerisVahnEphelia]

no one is awake.

you're awake.

everyone is you.

[Danioover9000]

@Loveeee

On 13/11/2023 at 1:29 PM, Loveeee said:

This might seem like blasphemy for some, make no mistake I do very much appreciate their talks 

But did Watts realized solipsism, did McKenna even realized immateriality ? 

   It's likely they did. Of course, using Leo's definition of awakening, they aren't awake. However, enlightened? They had mystical experiences? Likely. At least they embraced and embodied what they're teaching, even if it's imperfect, in comparison to Leo whose heavier on tbe conceptual understanding and use of psychedelics.

[tuku747]

 

 

[tuku747]

On 11/14/2023 at 2:25 AM, Bazooka Jesus said:

It isn’t that there’s only one Self in the sense that is taught in a philosophy called solipsism. [...]

I’d like to see a congress of solipsists arguing as to which one of them is really there.

- Alan Watts -

How I'd love to introduce Alan to the arguing congress of solipsists found on Actualized.org 

Edited November 15, 2023 by tuku747

[Kuba Powiertowski]

On 14.11.2023 at 9:25 AM, Bazooka Jesus said:

It isn’t that there’s only one Self in the sense that is taught in a philosophy called solipsism. [...]

I’d like to see a congress of solipsists arguing as to which one of them is really there.

- Alan Watts -

@Bazooka Jesus @tuku747 I truly love this guy. His lectures "on being God",  "mystical roots of christianity" and "teachings of the Gita" I consider to be the best in the history of Western philosophical thought of 20th century.

[Loveeee]

I never thought I would get more conscious than Alan fucking Watts

But of course if I won't who will 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Loveeee said:

I never thought I would get more conscious than Alan fucking Watts

But of course if I won't who will 

Sure. Maybe you're awake like Leo and Peter Ralston. Wait, Ralston was removed from the woke rankings, right? then it's just you and leo.

Definitely, you sound much more awake than Buddha or Ramakrishna. Congrats. 

[Loveeee]

52 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure. Maybe you're awake like Leo and Peter Ralston. Wait, Ralston was removed from the woke rankings, right? then it's just you and leo.

Definitely, you sound much more awake than Buddha or Ramakrishna. Congrats. 

Spiritual validation from a non-existing internet stranger 

Exactly what I was looking for

[Soul Flight]

A lot of subjects are taboo. Society speaks more openly about menstruation now or intercourse or homosexuality or police violence over the last 10,000 years and last 100 years. I suspect Terrance McKenna and Allan Watts were censoring themselves. The audience just was not ready for solipsism. We are standing on the shoulders of giants.

[Razard86]

Here is another one where he basically says there are no others....without saying it.

 

[Francis777]

Martin ball has talked about Terence McKenna before, cant remember where I heard it but he said that he was utterly deluded and lost in fantasy.

and I can clearly see that now, despite being fascinated by him in my teens.

[Yimpa]

When you awaken, Alan Watts and Terence McKenna will also awaken. Read between the lines.

It’s all consciousness, baby.