Dems can't make up their minds whether they want to run against Trump or not

[Romanov]

When Trump first announced that he would be running again, the dems were blowing some hot smoke about how they would want him to beat all the other republican candidates so that once more, Trump can be put back in his place for the whole world to see. Now, they are attempting to misuse the 14th amendment to keep him off the ballot. So which is it? I have heard his rhetoric on Jan. 6 and I'll say it is much more ambiguous compared to the rhetoric of many other Dem leaders who shamelessly called for violence on live TV such as those like Maxine Waters. Trump denounced the supporters who stormed the capitol and whether you believe he was being sincere or not, he could have doubled-down instead, yet his denouncing is conveniently left out by the media. It doesn't matter that he denounced the storming of the capitol, what matters is that we keep the narrative of Trump instigating the insurrection strong. The more we repeat it, the more people will get on board with it, God bless the U.S.A.-the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

I think it's going to backfire massively on the left. On one hand they say they are all for 'protecting democracy', and on another they want to prevent people from voting for Trump altogether. Not a good look at all. You can be sure it will all be appealed at the SCOTUS and I strongly doubt the SCOTUS will want to be the ones appearing as being against democracy to half the nation. It will definitely be much easier for the SCOTUS to not side with anyone on this issue and to leave it in the hands of the people come the 2024 election.

If however, the SCOTUS rules in favor of the left to keep Trump off the ballot, then you can be sure that states in the future will be itching to spin any rhetoric or event as being 'insurrectionist' in an effort to keep whatever candidate they don't like off their ballot via the 14th. How will either half of the country then cope with the winning candidate that wasn't even on their ballot to begin with? It won't surprise me if massive movements break out across the country to repeal the 14th amendment or at the very least revise it so that a conviction is absolutely necessary. 

They're playing with fire so much so that we would see division like never before. Several secretaries of state already want nothing to do with it. "In the name of democracy, we will subvert democracy. If you thought Trump's attempt to subvert democracy was serious, you haven't seen anything yet." I don't think America would ever be able to be a model of democracy for any other countries, many of which America itself already criticizes as being undemocratic. We're going to soon need a general election, for the general election. Forget about who's counting the votes, that's amateur hour. Now it's about who's putting who on the ballot. If we don't put X on the ballot, we simply have no votes for X to count, and we will have the election results ready right away for anyone who's been waiting impatiently unlike previous times. When even Putin himself with a 90%+ approval rating starts weighing in on democracy, you know something is definitely fucked up.

"Because democracy basically means government by the people, of the people, for the people. But the people are retarded" -Rajneesh Osho

Edited November 7, 2023 by Romanov

[Sucuk Ekmek]

7 hours ago, Romanov said:

 

"Because democracy basically means government by the people, of the people, for the people. But the people are retarded" -Rajneesh Osho

Hey, look at the bright side at least they benefit from democracy.

[Sempiternity]

Lets reword this. 'This guy is getting is getting charged with murder and is getting convicted of murder. We can't have this, because then people in other states will accuse others of murder, so the whole legal system will breakdown, because of everybody accusing each other of murder. Best to just not try a convict this man of murder, even though there is a mountain of evidence that he committed murder, because of the risk of others accusing others of murder which will make the whole legal system fall apart.' See how dumb this logic is? 

There are laws, and they apply to everyone. If you break the law, regardless of who you are, there are clear ramifications spelled out to what the consequences are. Hence the 14th amendment. 

[Hardkill]

Did you see the results for the off-year elections tonight? 

Since 2018, Republicans have kept losing too many elections.

[Romanov]

Minnesota Supreme Court just rejected to take Trump off the ballot. 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-election-president-f6b72c94bb351c1b870d4884e54f6a75

Even they realized it's not within their purview to decide. Got a strong feeling that everyone is going to think that only the SCOTUS has the ultimate say only for the SCOTUS to be like, "But wait, there's one other thing that has the final say instead." ..And then they kick it back to the people. 

[Romanov]

On 11/7/2023 at 5:38 PM, Sempiternity said:

Lets reword this. 'This guy is getting is getting charged with murder and is getting convicted of murder. We can't have this, because then people in other states will accuse others of murder, so the whole legal system will breakdown, because of everybody accusing each other of murder. Best to just not try a convict this man of murder, even though there is a mountain of evidence that he committed murder, because of the risk of others accusing others of murder which will make the whole legal system fall apart.' See how dumb this logic is? 

There are laws, and they apply to everyone. If you break the law, regardless of who you are, there are clear ramifications spelled out to what the consequences are. Hence the 14th amendment. 

There are laws, and then there is the subjective interpretation of them...just like the subjective interpretation of 'evidence'. Republicans and democrats no longer just disagree on the means to the ends only to end up sharing the result. They now instead disagree on the ends of the means. One sides believes there is 'a mountain of evidence', the other does not. You cannot even accuse the other side as being willful defiers when they themselves don't believe they are defying anything to begin with. There's a difference between being conscious of your wrongdoing while attempting to get away with it, and not seeing any wrongdoing at all, therefore forgoing the compulsion to 'get away with it'. Republicans and democrats do not agree on what evidence is. One side says there's a mountain of evidence, the other says there's a mountain of poor perception. The observer and observed are inextricably linked.

I think it's best if the people decide rather than attempting to remove a candidate off the ballot out of fear of them winning. Both sides talk a big game enough as it is about how they are going to win, no questions asked. If you're so confident you will win, then what's the problem? Wouldn't people have even more faith in you than before, in what you have been saying all along after beating your opponent? 

Right now the Left is acting like the small guy in the bar looking to be held back by his bigger friend as he's yelling at a bigger dude, "Don't hold me back! Stop holding me back!". 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Romanov