The real reason the world is obsessed with Israel

[Merkabah Star]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Bre this video is cringe though

woman in the video: the last few weeks have been very negative, here‘s something to cheer you up, more negativity yayy

I didn’t find it cringe.

The whole conflict is one big negative burger. 😀

[MuadDib]

9 hours ago, Lila9 said:

90% or more of the non-Jewish anti-zionists are covered antisemitic. 

 

Do you mean to tell me that a well-educated middle-aged black man, is anti-Semitic?... interesting.
What was he exhilarated by exactly? It wasn't the violence because he said many times that he abhors violence in this clip, right?

Reminded me of this song.
 

 

[Lila9]

3 hours ago, MuadDib said:

Do you mean to tell me that a well-educated middle-aged black man, is anti-Semitic?... interesting.
What was he exhilarated by exactly? It wasn't the violence because he said many times that he abhors violence in this clip, right?

Reminded me of this song.

Antisemiticsm doesn't skip middle aged educated black males.

Antisemitism, just like misogyny, persist everywhere.

 He may use these identifications as "educated" or "black" to justify his hatred for Jews.

And yes, being exhilarated when someone is being murdered by terrorists is not loving.

I wonder, would he was exhilarated if it was his family attacked by Hamas?

[MuadDib]

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Antisemiticsm doesn't skip middle aged educated black males.

Fair, although it's less likely to exist in someone with this perspective on the world.
 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Antisemitism, just like misogyny, persist everywhere.

Fair.
 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

He may use these identifications as "educated" or "black" to justify his hatred for Jews.

Fair, he may do that, however, he doesn't indicate any hatred for Jews specifically.
 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

And yes, being exhilarated when someone is being murdered by terrorists is not loving.

He is not exhilarated by the murder itself, and he condemns it. He is exhilarated by something else, can you identify that?

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I wonder, would he was exhilarated if it was his family attacked by Hamas?

Probably not.

Edit:
Maybe listening to Obama's perspective on the conflict could help here, it is quite similar to what the other man was trying to communicate, but his words are less emotive and less open to misinterpretation. This is something like a stage yellow perspective.

An oppressed people finding their voice is always exhilarating because it forces self-reflection. Much like when doja cat released this in response to Dr Dre's Iconic 1992 hit  "Bitches Ain't Shit" - a song many believe to be brimming with truisms that unfortunately reflects an undercurrent of misogyny in hip hop and rap culture.
 

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by MuadDib

[sholomar]

It's easy to get mad and blame people in charge for your problems. Jews have a lot of power in the west. They tend to be responsible with their money and teach their children the same which will naturally cause this. If you invest and build generational wealth you will be orders of magnitude further ahead than the average person who blows every cent of their paycheck on buying rounds in the local sports bar, restaurant, vacation, etc. Wealth tends to concentrate simply because of this effect.  If you create a power vacuum and get rid of all the jews from the power structure, what fills that power vacuum probably won't be any better.

Jews, for their flaws, at least tend to promote democracy most of the time. From a spiral dynamics perspective they tend to be orange to yellow compared to say Hamas, which trend towards red and blue with orange mixed in. Neither side is perfect, but human beings are another animal species, battling our animal nature. There is no right or wrong to it... it just is. People can assign blame to the conflict based on whatever propaganda they believe. I'm largely neutral.

I admit, I used to be a right wing anti zionist in my early 20's. It's easy at that age to fall into emotional echo chambers attempting to assign blame to some problem in society. I succumbed to the internet propaganda that was around the early days of the net spread by the "David Duke" crowd that were on internet forums at that time. Subsequent learning allowed maturation.

The whole story around the 1948 creation of Israel is a fascinating tale that starts with the British Balfour Declaration. The right wing anti zionists used much of the same rationale as some on the extreme left are using.. that these jews are immigrants who stole that land, like we stole it from the indians and they should give it back. Sorry, but that's not how it works. They say that jews are parasites that use the banks to take over host nation's cultures and decay them and their moral values by socially liberalizing the society. More like they make the society more tolerant of difference.  Much of this social liberalization was driven by capitalism anyways, this drive to get people to be more individualistic through buying items that make them stand out from others and "express themselves." ... see the BBC documentary "Century of the Self"

Better to raise the spiral dynamics of red and blue cultures over time than make some ancient claim to a piece of land and then claim these people should be expelled. That will get us nowhere. In the end every piece of land that humans set foot on has been invaded again and again over the last 100,000 years. There is no "ancient claim" to some piece of land.  That's all a story people tell themselves.  Land belongs to whoever can take and defend it in the end. Those are the laws of nature. That said, we should work on peace, and not this screaming "victim" and then getting "revenge" but we will do what we are programmed to do.

I always say politics is a horseshoe... those in the extreme ends have more in common than anyone in the middle. If you actually really study national socialism under Hitler, I mean read books about it, it was a mixture of right and left ideologies merged into one. It's easy to use hate to justify authoritarian style governance and "disappearing" of people who end up being the target of whatever the current propaganda of the people in charge is.  It's part of our nature. I'm going to call out both sides when I see it, but while working on my own peace of mind at the same time and realize that much of this is outside my control, so no reason to get really upset about it. It's largely genetic software doing what it's programmed to do.

 

TLDR:  It's easy to get mad at the rich person for being rich and want to take their money and power. It's easy to get upset at those in charge and say things "should" be done differently.   It's easy as a human to get caught in echo chambers and swallowed up by propaganda and narratives. Question EVERYTHING, even when you think you are being given all the facts and don't have a bias. Everyone has bias.  Accept what is outside your control. If you get upset about it, by spinning narratives in your head through your thoughts, it will consume you.

Edited November 11, 2023 by sholomar

[Nivsch]

I'm so glad they are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot, but the world is not stupid and will start to understand even if the process is very slow.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgyF_4NF91/?igshid=Y2FjZ2V3YmZlNXFk

Edited November 11, 2023 by Nivsch

[Lila9]

8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I'm so glad they are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot, but the world is not stupid and will start to understand even if the process is very slow.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgyF_4NF91/?igshid=Y2FjZ2V3YmZlNXFk

WTFFFF

[Merkabah Star]

18 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I'm so glad they are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot, but the world is not stupid and will start to understand even if the process is very slow.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgyF_4NF91/?igshid=Y2FjZ2V3YmZlNXFk

Pro Palestine protestors, not pro Hamas the terror group, as it was labelled, are pissed. Killing over 5 thousand, innocent children will generally piss the whole world off.
 

Israel has gone too far. They need a ceasefire now. 
 

The world is going to have to step in at some point. I welcome Obama becoming the new leader of Israel and to sort this mess out once and for all. Both sides are out of control. 

[MuadDib]

@sholomar  I don't disagree with anything you've said. However, Israel doesn't seem to be a democracy unless you're Jewish. It's an apartheid state. 

The inevitable problem with the concentration of power is that people tend to use it in favor of their interests in the long run.

Palestinians should be able to apply for Israeli citizenship, like any other person. They should be able to buy or lease Israeli land, as any other person. That would be a democratic and inclusive policy. Even if you accept they were forcibly removed from their homes under the laws of nature, if you don't give them an opportunity to improve or grow you will end up with terrorists with nothing to lose and anything to gain.

The same is true with the concentration of power in western countries. Free markets are great! As long as they're fair, or fair enough.

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by MuadDib

[Nivsch]

@Merkabah Star You are now representing the system's natural refusal to change, but change is necessary, and hamas total removal is the main part of that. Israel won't stop until its done. If you want any chance to a future for the palestinians as well, you should support hamas elimination.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Nivsch

[Merkabah Star]

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Merkabah Star You are now representing the system's natural refusal to change, but change is necessary, and hamas total removal is the main part of that. Israel won't stop until its done. If you want any chance of a future to the palestinians as well, you should support hamas elimination.

I’m all for the removal of Hamas, just not at the expense of all the thousands of civilians dying, which you couldn’t care less about. Israel isnt like the west, we are more compassionate, you are more like the arabs you demonise. 

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

I’m all for the removal of Hamas, just not at the expense of all the thousands of civilians dying, which you couldn’t care less about. Israel isnt like the west, we are more compassionate, you are more like the arabs you demonise. 

I really get you that we have to be humane and to differentiate between hamas and civilians, but Israel does not targets civilians intentionally. Can Israel do more effort to be more accurate and surgical? maybe, but still we have to remember hamas's number one survival strategy - to assimilate among civilians as deep as possible at every given moment. 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Nivsch

[Raze]

 

[Merkabah Star]

2 hours ago, MuadDib said:

@sholomar  I don't disagree with anything youve said. However Israel doesnt seem to be a democracy, unless you're Jewish. Its an apartheid state. 

The inevitable problem with the concentration of power is that people tend to use it in favour of their interests in the long run.

 

That video is exceptional! 
 

thanks for posting it!

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

That video is exceptional! 
 

thanks for posting it!

😂

1. Arabs in Israel get better rights than any other country surrounding Israel. Ironically.

2. Arabs here get any decent function in society you can think about - lawyers, judges, scientists, journalists, parliament members....

3. Is this 100% equal to jews? No. But improving.

4. Jew majority in the population and in the parliament (knesset) is still necessary and has to be maintained.

https://youtu.be/OiPlbdtu8VU?feature=shared

Edited November 12, 2023 by Nivsch

[Merkabah Star]

11 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

1. Arabs in Israel get better rights than any other country surrounding Israel. Ironically.

2. Arabs here get any decent function in society you can think about - lawyers, judges, scientists, journalists, parliament members....

3. Is this 100% equal to jews? No. But improving.

4. Jew majority in the population and in the parliament (knesset) is still necessary and has to be maintained.

Wow, sounds amazing for them. 
 

so it’s like at 60% equal to Jews? So generous and kind. And you let them vote even. Wow. 
 

yes, can’t have them get too big in the parliament, they will try and take over.

😳😳😳😳😳😳

[MuadDib]

On 12/11/2023 at 6:13 PM, Nivsch said:

Jew majority in the population and in the parliament (knesset) is still necessary and has to be maintained.

 If that's how you want your country to run, fine. But you must understand that this is very racist, undemocratic and the definition of an ethnostate and it's not anti-Semitic to point this out, which is my issue with this thread. It's a sneaky cover for exposing some truth. 

What Hamas did was reprehensible, I have no support for anyone who would do that. Israel has every right to defend itself from Hamas. I also don't see Israel as completely innocent, you want Palestinian people to fuck off, have been slowly abusing them and don't have a problem with killing them now you have an excuse.
It is what it is.
This is how the world works.

[ted73104]

The Israelis and Palestinians have been enemies since King David and Goliath in the Old Testament. Both sides see Israel as their sovereign state. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and Israel who doesn't want to communicate with them anymore is now going to exterminate Hamas.

I hope the Israels succeed in freeing the Palestinians from Hamas, but I don't think it will be that easy. Worst case scenario is that they trigger a larger regional conflict which in the end destroys Israel instead.

[Lila9]

Israeli Arabs who know both Arabic and Hebrew don't afraid to speak Arabic when they are abord, they afraid to speak Hebrew because there are so many antisemitic and anti-Israelies people who tend to be hostile and violent.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cyiqb9xxB1z/?igshid=eWhsNWc5ampndjgz

[Lila9]

Fear of speaking Hebrew in Germany:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzQk2z2oiDT/?igshid=MTdvcG1hOTQ0MjNydQ==