What if God does not have morals?

[Javfly33]

I feel the impulse of humans is to project human emotion and thought to God:

God created this because of ___

Reality is this way because is for you to ___

God is leaving you breadcrumbs to awaken

Etc ...

This kind of statements have in common, that it assumes there is a Personal God that is watching for your feelings and Life circles around human feelings or motivations.

If something Life has taught several times that it doesn't matter how much you pray, good things will happen to you when you do the things that work. A murderer can still enjoy the beauty of watching a sunset, yet you that never did any harm, might be depressed looking at it, just because the murderer now is at a state of flow with life and you don't. Is a matter of skill. 

Skill. Not morality.

'God' doesn't seem to have a personal human emotional agenda...

So I would watch out of outsourcing the responsibility of your life to a Caring, Emotional, FatherLike God. Notice how this is literally what CHRISTIANS do. 

When I say God I mean the same as Reality, or Life, or Existence. In my experience, Existence does not have this emotional or moral objectives. Is only the mind that gets in the middle and starts to project this things to 'God'. 

 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

I feel the impulse of humans is to project human emotion and thought to God:

God created this because of ___

Reality is this way because is for you to ___

God is leaving you breadcrumbs to awaken

Etc ...

This kind of statements have in common, that it assumes there is a Personal God that is watching for your feelings and Life circles around human feelings or motivations.

That's why they are called pointers. No story about reality is reality itself. Notions of "God", "creation" etc. are like crutches that can help you with learning to walk, but you will eventually have to let go of them if you are ever to stand on your own two feet.

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

In my experience, Existence does not have this emotional or moral objectives.

The "morality" of life lies in the infallible principle of cause and effect. When you drop a stone, it will fall to the ground.

So it's not just about skill. It is also about wisdom aka. seeing the big picture.

Immoral behaviour = short-sighted stupidity that will eventually somehow come back to bite you in the ass.

[De Sade]

In the absolute sense,God does not have morals because it is infinite.

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

The "morality" of life lies in the infallible principle of cause and effect. When you drop a stone, it will fall to the ground.

So it's not just about skill. It is also about wisdom aka. seeing the big picture.

Immoral behaviour = short-sighted stupidity that will eventually somehow come back to bite you in the ass.

Morality is not gravity.

I'm talking about human morality, not physics

Precisely what I'm saying is that inmoral behaviour won't bite you in the ass eventually necessarily. 

In fact "inmoral" for one person is moral for another. Is completely relative. For a rapist that is about to rape he thinks is completely justified and moral what he's about to do. 

 

27 minutes ago, De Sade said:

In the absolute sense,God does not have morals because it is infinite.

What does that even mean? Or you just read it from Leo? 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Javfly33

[Vibroverse]

i would say god is morality itself, but ah, it is very hard when you try to put it into words, right? I would say that absolute morality exists, in a sense, but it cannot be something that is reasoned, it is something that is intuited, that is felt, in your core, so to speak, which then you try to put into words and give linguistic and mental form. But it is a process of moving towards it, in that way, because it can never be achieved, in a sense, for it will always come later, haha. 

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Vibroverse

[UnbornTao]

Let's not talk of God as if we knew what we are talking about. It's clear we don't, so better to remain honest.

What is morality? The fact that it may be a human invention (do rocks care?) doesn't preclude or justify doing harmful things.

It's not morality that prevents us from doing stupid things, it is our assessment that they're stupid, unnecessary and/or harmful.

Actions have certain consequences. There are empowering and disempowering things one can do. And you are responsible for them. This isn't about morality but about what takes place in experience.

For example, if you lie, you become a liar! As a result, your experience is diminished and your integrity broken. This point is not obvious nor recognized by many. If you tell the truth, and to the degree to which you do, you feel empowered and your self is embiggened.

Edited November 6, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

34 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Morality is not gravity.

I'm talking about human morality, not physics

They are based on the same principle. When X happens, Y will follow.

35 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Precisely what I'm saying is that inmoral behaviour won't bite you in the ass eventually necessarily. 

And I am saying that it does. It is just a question of how and when. The consequences of your actions may not be immediately apparent, but they will manifest in one form or another. Just as sure as the stone hits the ground when you drop it.

42 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

For a rapist that is about to rape he thinks is completely justified and moral what he's about to do.

Which doesn't make it any less stupid.

[An young being]

In absolutely relative sense, my belief is that anything which affects other people in a negative way is immoral, although it's extremely difficult to calculate. The intention behind the action also adds enormous weight. The universe does that calculation and some call it karma.

[gettoefl]

wake up to the fact there is one sin only

separation imagined now, take each 1st letter #sin

no other sin exists

stop bringing truth to illusions and bring illusions to truth

are we understanding?

god has never heard the word morality or any such behaviour demonstrating it

this is your dream speaking

repair it or repeat it

Edited November 6, 2023 by gettoefl

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

@gettoefl

Separation Imagined Now... damn, that's good. With your permission, I am going to steal this and pretend like I came up with it myself.

[gettoefl]

11 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

@gettoefl

Separation Imagined Now... damn, that's good. With your permission, I am going to steal this and pretend like I came up with it myself.

 was always all you

[Razard86]

Morality is just the rules of engagement humans come up with for the benefit of their species. Majority of humans do not think you are evil for stepping on an ant or spider. But if you cut off its legs for fun and torture it some might. But if you kill a human outside of self defense majority of humanity would think you are evil. So morality is just a human construct that can be deconstructed.

God equally cares for lint on my jacket as it cares for all of humanity. Humanity in the grand scheme of things is smaller than the smallest atom in relation to earth. God is both infinitely impersonal and infinitely personal, the personal(ego) thinks too highly of itself to think its little human morality actually matters.

[strangelooper]

If god is all possibilities, aka as infinity then obviously morality is only a small slice of that infinity. The most atrocious thing you can imagine will happen, all possible atrocities will happen. Just look at this world, babies are sold to pedophiles and sacrificed in cult rituals. Just the other day I read how Jewish military men put a Palestinian baby in the oven.

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by strangelooper

[Dabidoe]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

It's clear we don't, so better to remain honest.

Thank you for saying this. I think a lot of people get a little huff of what "higher perspective" could be and start waxing poetic like Moses on Mt. Sinai.

The movie Silence is probably my favorite meditation on this subject. Portugese missionairies go to feudal Japan to help persecute christians and are horrified by the cruel religious persecution and "question God's silence." God can't speak, but does he influence the world? Who knows, we can only just have faith that if we are good in our own lives it will help the world.

Personally I think that "evil" has a purpose the way light creates shadow etc. It might not be pleasant but in the grand scheme of the world the purpose of evil can be a lesson to inspire greater good. The same way that suffering creates joy, by contrast "sunny days wouldn't be special if it wasn't for rain" to quote the honorable prophet 50 Cent. 

[An young being]

2 minutes ago, Dabidoe said:

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Personally I think that "evil" has a purpose the way light creates shadow etc. 

Without evil, most of the movies today won't exist. Can that count as a purpose?

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

wake up to the fact there is one sin only

separation imagined now, take each 1st letter #sin

no other sin exists

stop bringing truth to illusions and bring illusions to truth

are we understanding?

god has never heard the word morality or any such behaviour demonstrating it

this is your dream speaking

repair it or repeat it

<<This>>. End of story

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Separation Imagined Now

Powerful isn't it. I knew the only sin was to not know who you are; but damn, he took it to a whole other level.

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, An young being said:

Without evil, most of the movies today won't exist. Can that count as a purpose?

Stop seeing evil and there will be no evil. 

[gettoefl]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Powerful isn't it. I knew the only sin was to not know who you are; but damn, he took it to a whole other level.

there is method to the madness in the myriad breadcrumbs of god ... for example did you notice that jesus is the same as the french for i-am with an extra i dropped in

je-suis

jesus was the first i am, the first one who really got god ... and he was trying to tell us how to do likewise ... his disciple Thomas who wrote a great gospel of his own features prominently in the terrific book The disappearance of Reality, a book mentioned here couple of months back which encouraged me to read it

[Dabidoe]

1 hour ago, An young being said:

Without evil, most of the movies today won't exist. Can that count as a purpose?

Sure. Can you imagine how boring Star Wars would be if it was Yoda and Obi Wan sitting in the council talking about how chill everything was?